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Immeasurable speed blazblue downgrade

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Currently mostly of blazblue character have immeasurable speed due to their feat of being able to walk across boundaries. it is said that if a being is able to pass through the boundary then he/she has transcended time space.

even though the context of passing time/reality here is completely unrelated to speed, therefore the immeasurable speed of blazblue will be deleted. It should be noted that all the feats given by Boundary are not related to sheer speed and instead support time travel and dimensional travel abilities.

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Agree: 7 (akuma, setsuna, actuallyspiderman, harith, thanatos, Hasty, megaraptor)
Neutral: 1 (einel)
Disagree: 8 (Glass, Gilver, Lightning, Deadguy, Curry, KING, Maverick, Shmooply)
 
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Seems fine to me
I've always been suspicious of immeasurable speed in blazblue, because it's more like time travel or dimensional travel, I mean, characters that aren't like Ragna.

They have to access somewhere to find a machine that can take them to the boundary, this is clearly time machine mechanism that is completely unrelated to the context of speed.
 
I agree, it's an aspect of the dimension itself, not because they have some godlike speed to move through time.
 
I myself am quite neutral on this issue because there are also fictions that get an immeasurable rating thanks to the complexity of cosmology which states specifically that transcending space and time will have the feats of being able to move over trascending time linearly (i.e being able to time travel using pure speed from the original statistic. An example of a verse like this is Persona.

In the case of Persona, it explains that there is a special place called the sea of souls, this place is a place that is the source of reality which includes a lot of Time Axis. Those who are at the highest level or an Archetype will become residents of Sea of Souls who can freely transverse the place including the time-axis. This is included in the speed statistic instead of the hax.

In the case of Blazblue, I saw something similar. It's just with a different implementation. Neutral leaning to agree tho.
 
Yeah, this seems more like Time Travel then Immeasurable speed. I agree with the downgrade, for now.
 
EinelRendezvous said:
In the case of Blazblue, I saw something similar. It's just with a different implementation.
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in blazblue, it's much worse

This is because to reach the boundary, someone has to go to the location where this time travel machine is located, which is useless even in combat
 
Agree this.

Idk about Boundary stuff, but basically the context featz beyond space and time above is not qualify for immesureable at all.

Anyway dimensional travel or time travel it's also fine, because an explanation that says they broke through the Boundary it's refers another time or dimension
 
I also agree with this, but what accepted speed calculations can the BlazBlue characters be scaled from instead?
 
I don't know the verse, but the OP seems fine if they're not doing it through speed. But the scans linked don't really show it one way or the other.
 
Alright, back.

You do realize that for the entirety of the characters going through the boundary they have to move in the realm to begin with right? Literally every single character has to physically move in the realm, which equates to actual speed, Also it's not dimensional travel because that implies the characters are able to teleport to the realm easily or open a portal there, something that the majority of characters don't have to begin with and have to go through a gate to reach the boundary. Especially with the description of going to other worlds is the same as going from space and entering into another planet.

@AkumaNoHissatsu What time travel machine are you remotely talking about? No one in the series uses a time travel machine at all.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Literally every single character has to physically move in the realm, which equates to actual speed,
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Is this even immeasurable speed criteria?

Immeasurable speed was the speed that makes character moving with Sheer speed and Movement beyond linear time.


Theglassman12 said:
What time travel machine are you remotely talking about? No one in the series uses a time travel machine at all.
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And then you said :
Theglassman12 said:
characters are able to teleport to the realm easily or open a portal there
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"Time machine" here it's just like foreshadowing to this mechanic, like you have to teleport or open portal? This mean like Limited immeasurable? Bruh this sounds funny but character with "sheer" immeasurable speed can blitzed some of blazblue Characters before they're cast that portal or teleportation

That's what i called "time machine"

my poin is :
• go to Dimensions where it was trancending time and space and can go anywhere, anytime, and anywhen doesn't mean immeasurable speed at all, you need sheer speed to move trough It, and.. the characters Must open portal or teleport to go to the boundary which is Mean it was limited at all
 
Theglassman12 said:
Literally every single character has to physically move in the realm, which equates to actual speed
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first, can you explain again why people who go to the boundary will get immeasurable speed?
Theglassman12 said:
Especially with the description of going to other worlds is the same as going from space and entering into another planet.
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because from these scans it proves that the boundary can connect to many Dimensions. And because that explanation it even proves that if you move on the boundary and go to a different dimension, you will get dimensional travel

Dimensional Travel is the ability to move through alternate universes (or "dimensions"), crossing over across different planes of existence to reach other, far-off locations
 
Theglassman12 said:
Alright, back.

You do realize that for the entirety of the characters going through the boundary they have to move in the realm to begin with right? Literally every single character has to physically move in the realm, which equates to actual speed, Also it's not dimensional travel because that implies the characters are able to teleport to the realm easily or open a portal there, something that the majority of characters don't have to begin with and have to go through a gate to reach the boundary. Especially with the description of going to other worlds is the same as going from space and entering into another planet.

@AkumaNoHissatsu What time travel machine are you remotely talking about? No one in the series uses a time travel machine at all.
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Characters above what youre say are able to teleport to the another realm with easily by opening portal Creation first.

Its not that's dimensional travel more than immesureable speed?
 
@AkumaNoHissatsu Being able to do it through movement and not an ability? Yes.

Also stop taking my words out of context, are you going to answer my question or not?

@Fixxed they literally move through time since they can move through the boundary.

the Boundary connects through these dimensions with a cauldron, the literal gates to the boundary, that's it.

@Megaraptor149 what are you talking about? No one remotely has portal creation.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@AkumaNoHissatsu Being able to do it through movement and not an ability? Yes.

Also stop taking my words out of context, are you going to answer my question or not?
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Wdym? Moving on trancending space time place doesn't mean you get immeasurable, and again it's very useless in combat

Your question? That "time machine"? I just answer it even Twice here :
AkumaNoHissatsu said:
"Time machine" here it's just like foreshadowing to this mechanic, like you have to teleport or open portal? This mean like Limited immeasurable? Bruh this sounds funny but character with "sheer" immeasurable speed can blitzed some of blazblue Characters before they're cast that portal or teleportation
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AkumaNoHissatsu said:
Ay and don't being nitpicking with that time machine, it just mention or other words
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And again, it's just actually Dimensional travel

Using portal and teleport to go to the boundary and go to other Dimensions
 
Stop ignoring my post, being able to move through time with transcending time and space counts. And the individual in question transcends time and space.

No that's not an answer to my question, you literally said they have a machine to time travel, what machine?

When does Ragna or Jin or Azrael use portals or teleports?
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Fixxed they literally move through time since they can move through the boundary.
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You mean across the dimension right? Don't put a headcanon in here. Prove it if he/she capable through time to past/future with sheer speed
 
Can they move through time only in the boundary or can they do so outside of it as well?
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
Scans?
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There is no scan

But i just reply the glassman quoted about this

Also it's not dimensional travel because that implies the characters are able to teleport to the realm easily or open a portal there, something that the majority of characters don't have to begin with and have to go through a gate to reach the boundary.
 
@Fixxed I just did in my first response, you see Jin and Terumi walking through the boundary. They’re literally doing it with speed, what part of this is headcanon?
 
The point is that if they can't move through time outside the boundary by themselves then that will not be their own speeds, that's special thing granted by boundary
 
Delta333 said:
The point is that if they can't move through time outside the boundary by themselves then that will not be their own speeds, that's special thing granted by boundary
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Can you prove that they can't move through time outside the boundary?
 
Yeah I agree with Glassman here aswell, the characters having to physically move there isn't Dimensional Travel unless shown or stated, and it doesn't seem to be the case here
 
Delta333 said:
Why you don't prove that they can do that outside the boundary?
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The burden of proof is on the OP and his proposal, as always

Also, moving in the normal world wouldn't be any issue for them, so it's expected, if not obvious, that they will show their Immeasurable feats on the place where they need to
 
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