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Ichigo VS Xenolith

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speedster352 said:
Is this bloodlusted or in character?
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Ichigo has history of directly attacking his opponents.

I vote Ichigo

1. I believe because Ichigo having higher AP by bleach standard his resistance against gravity should resist Xenolith gravity manipulation even if that's conceptual level.

2. At the start of match Ichigo has chance of speed Blitzing Xenolith with Sonido (btw i am saying speed blitz because Sonido erases once existence when using it ) and whatever Xenolith does he wouldn't be able to track him

3. GRC which bends even space time and it's atleast like 10x amp for AP and has a huge speed amp too. I doubt Xenolith would be able to react to it.

4. Ichigo got blut vene to protect his inner organs and Hollow powers for mid low regeneration.

I think my reasons are enough to vote Ichigo.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Ichigo has history of directly attacking his opponents.

I vote Ichigo

1. I believe because Ichigo having higher AP by bleach standard his resistance against gravity should resist Xenolith gravity manipulation even if that's conceptual level.

2. At the start of match Ichigo has chance of speed Blitzing Xenolith with Sonido (btw i am saying speed blitz because Sonido erases once existence when using it ) and whatever Xenolith does he wouldn't be able to track him

3. GRC which bends even space time and it's atleast like 10x amp for AP and has a huge speed amp too. I doubt Xenolith would be able to react to it.

4. Ichigo got blut vene to protect his inner organs and Hollow powers for mid low regeneration.

I think my reasons are enough to vote Ichigo.
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Also, the op needs to avoid making matches like these in the future
 
Yomi_Schwarz said:
Let's veer away from heated parts of the discussion please.

I'll ask again, does xenolith have anything in his arsenal to even see/sense Ichigo?
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likely not, but Xenolith's first and only on screen move is to immobilize everyone on a planetary scale, and with Ichigo's Class T LS, he gets squished into a puddle.
 
Higher AP doesn't grant resistance to hax or abilities. This is NLF.
 
True Gravity IS conceptual lol, it's explicitly stated it "transcends concepts" and we see true gravity affect abstract stuff and ignore any resistance to regular gravity, idk why concept manipulation isn't added to Xenolith and Ziggy

Conceptual stuff aren't new to Mashima either
 
speedster352 said:
Also, the op needs to avoid making matches like these in the future
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People doesn't get it that Bleach god tiers can affect physical and other things with RC.



Kotostu is a beings which surpasses reasons and not made up of spiritual energy



Check the second pick in here you will see how Aizen suppressed reastu can even affects physical things
 
TauanVictor said:

Ichigo VS Xenolith​

  • Fight Location: Soul Society
  • Starting Distance: 1km
  • Both in-character
  • Equalized speed
  • Merged Hollow Form Ichigo
Ichigo: 5 (@Biller, @Crayons, @Nightmare_Bloodfallen, @Yomi_Schwarz, @speedster352)
Xenolith: 5 (@AnonymousBlank, @Zackra1799, @Kazuma_kuwabara, @Fastestthingalive50, @DaReaperMan)
Inconclusive:

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Switch the character to Aizen
 
Zackra1799 said:
likely not, but Xenolith's first and only on screen move is to immobilize everyone on a planetary scale, and with Ichigo's Class T LS, he gets squished into a puddle.
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Again, I'm still asking how LS is a factor instead of Durability. You don't lift gravity, you tank it.

Can i see a scan? that seems to be entirely contextual and he seems to have had motives to do so.

It just doesn't seem viable for him to overexert himself from the get-go like that without any reason to do so and he doesn't know that Ichigo is invisible even if he doesn't see him.
 
I thought I saw everything Bleach had to offer on this site. This match is something else....
 
Xenolith has heat sensors and thermal imaging. Ichigo still has body temperature and is subject to heat transfer despite being of spiritual matter.
 
Without having it on the profile, or showing it doesn't matter. Do you think that resisting to one type of attack grants you resistance to all of them? Resisting fire somehow grants resistance to water attack?
 
Zaratthustra said:
Without having it on the profile, or showing it doesn't matter. Do you think that resisting to one type of attack grants you resistance to all of them? Resisting fire somehow grants resistance to water attack?
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Ichigo has resistance to gravity manipulation. I was just saying he can resist it on conceptual level. Yeah i get your point.
Setsuna_tenma said:
It's the same verse that caused the discussion forum on the wiki to be shut down. It's nothing new.
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What a sad verse right
 
Nerd1435 said:
Xenolith has heat sensors and thermal imaging. Ichigo still has body temperature and is subject to heat transfer despite being of spiritual matter.
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What you said is true but it is still a matter of spiritual sensing tho. The means utilized would still have to be soul-based since the instances you have mentioned are also based on that circumstantial aspect.
 
I really find it funny just how much animosity bleach has garnered over the years lmao.

I was here to witness the state of vsb Bleach while the series was still serializing and it already had folks on guard lol. I really have to wonder how it started and why is it so.
 
Like I said above its resistance, not immunity to gravity. You may resist till to a point when it won't do anything.

Take Yamamoto for example: His Bankai reaches 15 million degree in heat. Do you think that someone who has shown to resist to 3000 degree heat can resist just because it has 'resistance to heat'? No. That's why its called resistance - a capacity of something to resist to an external force to a degree.
 
Yomi_Schwarz said:
I really find it funny just how much animosity bleach has garnered over the years lmao.

I was here to witness the state of vsb Bleach while the series was still serializing and it already had folks on guard lol. I really have to wonder how it started and why is it so.
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Bleach hate and downplay is nothing new for me. I kinda laught at the people who hates on bleach and downplay it.
 
Zaratthustra said:
Like I said above its resistance, not immunity to gravity. You may resist till to a point when it won't do anything.

Take Yamamoto for example: His Bankai reaches 15 million degree in heat. Do you think that someone who has shown to resist to 3000 degree heat can resist just because it has 'resistance to heat'? No. That's why its called resistance - a capacity of something to resist to an external force to a degree.
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I got your point. When did I said he has immunity to gravity manipulation.

Ichigo has resistance to gravity manipulation

Bleach AP negates hax on conceptual level by higher AP

Ichigo should resist conceptual level gravity manipulation of Xenolith because has higher AP scaling.

I never said Ichigo has immunity.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
I got your point. When did I said he has immunity to gravity manipulation.

Ichigo has resistance to gravity manipulation

Bleach AP negates hax on conceptual level by higher AP

Ichigo should resist conceptual level gravity manipulation of Xenolith because has higher AP scaling.

I never said Ichigo has immunity.
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That's not a thing that actually happens here. You don't "overpower" hax with raw strength, least of all against characters whose setting don't have such a wonky gimmick. If busting bigger biggatons can overpower concept manipulation then that says something about the concept manipulation.
 
Guys lets chill you're only reinforcing the bad stigma bleach once garnered in the past.

also on that note if you don't follow the bleach discussions now please refrain from grouping the entire bleach community with a few bad apples.

ichigo doesn't resist conceptual gravity hax, its not even accepted on the profile this is likely a stomp can we move on
 
Loyd said:
Guys lets chill you're only reinforcing the bad stigma bleach once garnered in the past.

also on that note if you don't follow the bleach discussions now please refrain from grouping the entire bleach community with a few bad apples.

ichigo doesn't resist conceptual gravity hax, its not even accepted on the profile this is likely a stomp can we move on
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a voice of reason~

Also bleach has always had that stigma lmao. it's NOT going away and that's actually a good thing tbh tbh
 
Planck69 said:
That's not a thing that actually happens here. You don't "overpower" hax with raw strength, least of all against characters whose setting don't have such a wonky gimmick. If busting bigger biggatons can overpower concept manipulation then that says something about the concept manipulation.
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Loyd said:
Guys lets chill you're only reinforcing the bad stigma bleach once garnered in the past.

also on that note if you don't follow the bleach discussions now please refrain from grouping the entire bleach community with a few bad apples.

ichigo doesn't resist conceptual gravity hax, its not even accepted on the profile this is likely a stomp can we move on
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I am gonna back off myself because of bad refutation bleach getting everywhere.
 
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
You can´t Soul Hax robots, simple as that, if Ichigo could soul hax robots his match againts megaman would not exist
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Did you even checked the second scan🥱. His staff gets RC. I hope you recheck it and you were saying RC doesn't work on robots when I sent scan for RC working on physical matter.

False equivalence. And i don't care about megaman.
 
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