A bit of black sperm revision (new chapter spoilers)

[Pepsiman25th]

With the release of chapter 153, new stuff about black sperm could be useful (nothing for plat sperm)

With this, A single black sperm cell should scale to 8-A for homeless emperor saying a single one can take down a class A hero
and with his merges, i think his tier should be this
Varies, at least 8-A with a single cell, higher with combining cells up to at least 7-A, possibly higher

His ap would also change
Varies (The power of an individual Black Sperm depends on its cell count, with smaller clones proving largely ineffective against the Hero Association) this will become

at least Multi-City Block (The power of an individual Black Sperm can easily take down a class A hero according to Homeless Emperor), Higher with combining cells, up to at least Mountain level, possibly Mountain level+ (rest of the stuff stays the same)

TL DR change black sperms ap and tier
a single BS would scale to at least 8-A and higher with combining cells, up to 7-A

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[LordTracer]

The majority of A-Class heroes aren’t 8-A, they’re 9-A.

Also there’s already a thread about this.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

didnt even see that, this can be closed then

 

[ByAsura]

I think it'd still work. All it would be is Varies, Small Building level to at least Mountain level, possibly Mountain level+.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Yeah, it may not be 8-A (Those are the strongest A Class heroes), but the revision still works with 9-A (Their baseline)

 

[Ourosboros]

I think it'd still work. All it would be is Varies, Small Building level to at least Mountain level, possibly Mountain level+.

I hate to have all these 'at least' caveats, but I would agree with this if we tack an "at least" on to small building so it's " Varies, at least Small Building level to at least Mountain level, possibly Mountain level+". Since Homeless said they could "easily" take down an a-class hero. Alternatively, we could just scale them to baseline demon at 8-B, since being able to easily defeat most a-class heroes is one of demons' defining features

 

[ByAsura]

I was thinking that too, but it just looks terrible and was kind of hoping nobody would notice.

Either way, it's fine and I agree.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Alternatively, we could just scale them to baseline demon at 8-B, since being able to easily defeat most a-class heroes is one of demons' defining features

If that's the case then why isn't every A Class at 8-B

 

[Ourosboros]

If that's the case then why isn't every A Class at 8-B

What

 

[ByAsura]

That actually makes more sense than you might think.

The Three Crows are Demon level collectively, and Snek (the lowest A-Class) one-shot a crow, as did Max.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

What

I thought some A Class heroes are lower than 8-B? Like aren't there A Class heroes who are 9-A

 

[ByAsura]

It actually seems that the ones beating up Genos and Tatsumaki were split into individual cells. Although this may be somewhat contradicted by the final 100 cells.

 

[Ourosboros]

I thought some A Class heroes are lower than 8-B? Like aren't there A Class heroes who are 9-A

Yeah. This is a square and rectangle situation- all demons beat your average a-class hero with relative ease like Homeless says a Black Sperm clone would. But not all a-class heroes represent an equal challenge for demons. Even before we consider the disciples and Amai, some a-class heroes can challenge demons, others have only been shown to take on certain tigers. So some heroes scale to tigers (9-A) and others scale/downscale from baseline demon (8-B).

I think that there are enough a-class heroes in 8-B (what we might call above tiger/low-demon on the informal side of things) to justify BS clones being at a minimum 8-B, since if they are 9-A+ they beat the weakest heroes with ease but lose to the other half of the a-class.

It actually seems that the ones beating up Genos and Tatsumaki were split into individual cells. Although this may be somewhat contradicted by the final 100 cells.

Yeah, but I didn't mention this because it would spoil any attempts to calculate PS's strength. We can scale the AP of black sperm clones to Genos's durability at a minimum and be done with it if we don't think that's an outlier for individual clones (large gap between wrecking most a-class heroes and being able to damage current Genos).

 

[ByAsura]

Easily taking down A-Class doesn't really contradict damaging a mid-tier S-Class.

 

[Ourosboros]

Easily taking down A-Class doesn't really contradict damaging a mid-tier S-Class.

No, I'm not saying that it does. I'm just neutral on it, whether we scale BS cells to 8-B, or 7-A.

 

[ByAsura]

Ok, I thought that's what you were suggesting in the bracketed part.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Easily taking down A-Class doesn't really contradict damaging a mid-tier S-Class.

I got a question that I asked in the other thread but I'll ask here. Does "easily" warrant a tier 9 or 8 for BS?

Saitama and King, for example, are stated to defeat opponents easily, as Genos was when he was defeating fodder monsters during the tournament. Homeless described a single BS easily beating A Class heroes but that could be because they are already S class.

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

Bump?

 

[Ourosboros]

I got a question that I asked in the other thread but I'll ask here. Does "easily" warrant a tier 9 or 8 for BS?

Saitama and King, for example, are stated to defeat opponents easily, as Genos was when he was defeating fodder monsters during the tournament. Homeless described a single BS easily beating A Class heroes but that could be because they are already S class.

Tier 8-B at minimum I'd say, we have too many a-class heroes at 8-B for that statement to put individual cells any lower.

An "at least 9-A" cell would get stomped by 11 of the 19 a-class heroes we have profiles for. Because Lightning Max and Snakebite Snek (who aren't even exceptionally strong a-class) are "likely 8-B". Stinger, Magic Trick Man, Heavy Tank Fundoshi, Death Gatling and Great Philosopher are all "at least 8-B". Blue Fire also fits in the "at least 8-B" category, though he doesn't have a profile. Another 4 a-class heroes are 8-A or higher: Amai Mask, Iaian, Okamaitachi and Bushidrill.

And Homeless has researched on the hero association website in addition to whatever Gyoro Gyoro told him, so he should know roughly how strong a-class heroes are.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Tier 8-B at minimum I'd say, we have too many a-class heroes at 8-B for that statement to put individual cells any lower.

An "at least 9-A" cell would get stomped by 11 of the 19 a-class heroes we have profiles for. Because Lightning Max and Snakebite Snek (who aren't even exceptionally strong a-class) are "likely 8-B". Stinger, Magic Trick Man, Heavy Tank Fundoshi, Death Gatling and Great Philosopher are all "at least 8-B". Blue Fire also fits in the "at least 8-B" category, though he doesn't have a profile. Another 4 a-class heroes are 8-A or higher: Amai Mask, Iaian, Okamaitachi and Bushidrill.

And Homeless has researched on the hero association website in addition to whatever Gyoro Gyoro told him, so he should know roughly how strong a-class heroes are.

What I meant was, why does “easily” translate to a single Black Sperm cell equalIng or be around the same tier as an A Class, if the comment insinuated there wouldn’t be much of a fight between an A Class and a Black Sperm cell?

 

[Ourosboros]

What I meant was, why does “easily” translate to a single Black Sperm cell equalIng or be around the same tier as an A Class, if the comment insinuated there wouldn’t be much of a fight between an A Class and a Black Sperm cell?

Ah, I misunderstood you.

No, it doesn't equate to that, it just justifies an "at least 8-B, likely higher" which means we can scale BS cells higher if we get better concrete scaling information.

Scaling Black Sperm's AP to Genos, 7-A, possibly 7-A+ is probably best then, since Black Sperm stated that at least some of the clones doing damage were individual cell.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Scaling Black Sperm's AP to Genos, 7-A, possibly 7-A+ is probably best then, since Black Sperm stated that at least some of the clones doing damage were individual cell.

Yeah, that would be what I’m confused on, since a Black Sperm cell seems to already have a concrete feat against Genos.

 

[Ourosboros]

Yeah, that would be what I’m confused on, since a Black Sperm cell seems to already have a concrete feat against Genos.

Well people want to scale him lower so they could do a X54 trillion multiplier from the 9-A calc- because it's unlikely multiplying 500 megatons (or where BS would scale) by 54 trillion would be accepted without significant additional context.

I'll vote for scaling BS cells to 7-A and holding off on the multiplier until Platinum Sperm at least does something.