Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[JustSomeWeirdo]

After taking another look at the thread, FujiwaraYesMokou kinda did just....enter the thread and immediately insulted Malomtek

OverlordDonnelly, in my opinion, isn't as insulting, but both of them coming in to say "your arguments suck as they always do" is uncalled for

 

[Vietthai96]

Well yeah i agree with JustSomeWeirdo, i did look through Mal revision, and even though yeah his revision need to have evidences, scan, proof, etc.....on technical aspect the CRT was not a good one. But what FujiwaraYesMokou did is a very bad action and not justified in any sense, OverlordDonnelly is also not a good one

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

While not the biggest fan of people expressing immense attitude just because Malomtek showed his face or people keep like talking about his past. I kind of agree that making another Bleach thread was made at a very bad timing. Though, I heard another Admin is currently talking to Cyber about revising the cosmology and the verse, and god tiers and what not.

Not to mention, I may not agree with Malomtek's tactics, I do see he actually is trying to make some effort to shape up as he shares his thoughts and opinions. So the whole ridiculing him at every opportunity is absolutely uncalled for. And I can also vouch that a lot of people on the Touhou thread kept name dropping him during his ban and calling him insulting nick names such as "Melontek" or "Melon Head". Which is also not excusabe.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Not to mention, I may not agree with Malomtek's tactics, I do see he actually is trying to make some effort to shape up as he shares his thoughts and opinions. So the whole ridiculing him at every opportunity is absolutely uncalled for. And I can also vouch that a lot of people on the Touhou thread kept name dropping him during his ban and calling him insulting nick names such as "Melontek" or "Melon Head". Which is also not excusabe.

Yeah, kicking a man that is down while he was gone temporarily is uncalled for and will only further fuel the fires if they keep up the hostile attitude they use while disliking the user.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I've been talked with Fujiwara, he's an actually a nice person
I think its mostly because the previous touhou CRT that made Fujiwara developed a hatred toward Mal, and touhou UES thread made it way worse
And having a tendency to not sleeping (a.k.a insomnia)

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Fujiwara has behaved well to me as well.

However, I would appreciate if Medeus would be willing to issue some light warning instructions to the members who need them.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

I've been talked with Fujiwara, he's an actually a nice person
I think its mostly because the previous touhou CRT that made Fujiwara developed a hatred toward Mal, and touhou UES thread made it way worse
And having a tendency to not sleeping (a.k.a insomnia)

Still doesn’t exactly excuse his behavior towards Mal even if he/she is a nice person in general.

Other than that, the users involved in this kind of behavior could have distance from one another and not try to actively take shots at each other.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Still doesn’t exactly excuse his behavior towards Mal even if he is a nice person in general.

Other than that, the users involved in this kind of behavior (Mal included) could have distance from one another and not try to actively take shots at each other while they still can.

I know that, thats why i said "Fujiwara developed a hatred toward Mal", i'm not defending him however as he also need a judgement due of his snapped act

 

[Malomtek]

Okay. Fujiwara has behaved well to me as well.

However, I would appreciate if Medeus would be willing to issue some light warning instructions to the members who need them.

While not the biggest fan of people expressing immense attitude just because Malomtek showed his face or people keep like talking about his past. I kind of agree that making another Bleach thread was made at a very bad timing. Though, I heard another Admin is currently talking to Cyber about revising the cosmology and the verse, and god tiers and what not.

Not to mention, I may not agree with Malomtek's tactics, I do see he actually is trying to make some effort to shape up as he shares his thoughts and opinions. So the whole ridiculing him at every opportunity is absolutely uncalled for. And I can also vouch that a lot of people on the Touhou thread kept name dropping him during his ban and calling him insulting nick names such as "Melontek" or "Melon Head". Which is also not excusabe.

After taking another look at the thread, FujiwaraYesMokou kinda did just....enter the thread and immediately insulted Malomtek

OverlordDonnelly, in my opinion, isn't as insulting, but both of them coming in to say "your arguments suck as they always do" is uncalled for

Yeah, kicking a man that is down while he was gone temporarily is uncalled for and will only further fuel the fires if they keep up the hostile attitude they use while disliking the user.

Well yeah i agree with JustSomeWeirdo, i did look through Mal revision, and even though yeah his revision need to have evidences, scan, proof, etc.....on technical aspect the CRT was not a good one. But what FujiwaraYesMokou did is a very bad action and not justified in any sense, OverlordDonnelly is also not a good one

After taking another look at the thread, FujiwaraYesMokou kinda did just....enter the thread and immediately insulted Malomtek

OverlordDonnelly, in my opinion, isn't as insulting, but both of them coming in to say "your arguments suck as they always do" is uncalled for

@Antvasima I think you should tag @DarkDragonMedeus for that.

And as an addendum, FujiwaraYesMokou also said this to me in the 2hu UES thread

https://vsbattles.com/threads/touhous-ues-more-hax.127837/post-4321663

"Dude oh my god shut up already

Promestein doesn't act like a whiny bitch every time someone proposes an upgrade"

Emphasis mine, because I want to reiterate the point that this is a compounding behavior with these people against me personally. I never made this kind of blunt insult against YesMokou in that thread, and I even asked her to apologize, but the apology never came.

 

[Malomtek]

And because this is inevitably going to come up, here is FujiwaraYesMokou mulling over reporting me because she believes I possibly said bad things about her in a private Discord chat with Promestein, even though she has no actual proof I said anything about her in particular, Promestein herself would have done something about it if it broke any rules, and it wouldn't even matter anyway because we see Discord as an entirely separate "sphere" that generally has no relevance to the wiki/forum in itself.

This all means that FujiwaraYesMokou is trying to get me punished for essentially having private conversations that might vaguely involve her in some way. You can therefore understand if I lose most of my patience with these people.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/touhous-ues-more-hax.127837/page-2#post-4322549

"Fair enough. Though I'd at least like confirmation from Prom that Malomtek is shittalking me in DMs before I actually make a report."

I want to reiterate again that this is entirely personal with these people, and part of a compounding trend. I've verifiably seen posts from people people shit-talk me in a private discord server before I joined in, but I shrugged it off and didn't report it because reporting people for barbs made off-site is stupid.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Understood. I would appreciate if @DarkDragonMedeus is willing to give instruction warnings to the relevant people, as I am tired and behind with my workload.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

To be fair, Touhou debates didn't really have any real full on "Good guys" on either side. Fujiwara usually behaves well as others have said. But being nice to everyone else but a jerk/bully to one person doesn't stop someone from being a bad guy. I don't really think anyone should get a strict punishment atm. But I do think @FujiwaraYesMokou may need to get a light warning to avoid poisoning the well or using ad hominins in the future. Even if it's towards someone who otherwise has a poor track record. It's best to not do those like at all period.

Though, I still think Fuji has some good intentions regarding statistics ratings, and cannot force either side to agree with each other. Though I also do think Malomtek should probably slow down a bit with reporting people in the future or mass DMing multiple staff members. But I also have work today, and cannot type posts that are too uber long atm.

Though, I do hope ensuring both of them know the situation and the report should help clear out some things. And I also agree that the offsite DMs aren't really publicly harmful. And I do not know full context of what was going on, but Prom has also told both sides to calm down and has mostly lost interest in Touhou debates from what I heard. And I do agree it's a good idea if a few more Admins were more active for the situation.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Honestly, all I'm seeing is the same old song and dance about someone disagreeing with something, and immediately being jumped on by supporters. Seen it on this site so much it's honestly meh.

I disagree with Medeus that Fuji has "good intentions". Going immediately to another thread, completely unprovoked, mind you, just to insult Malomtek. I don't care if she's good to everyone else, I don't care if she got a hateboner. You don't go around insulting and almost persecuting a guy just for having different view than you on a verse.

I have very low tolerance with this behavior.

 

[Antvasima]

To be fair, Touhou debates didn't really have any real full on "Good guys" on either side. Fujiwara usually behaves well as others have said. But being nice to everyone else but a jerk/bully to one person doesn't stop someone from being a bad guy. I don't really think anyone should get a strict punishment atm. But I do think @FujiwaraYesMokou may need to get a light warning to avoid poisoning the well or using ad hominins in the future. Even if it's towards someone who otherwise has a poor track record. It's best to not do those like at all period.

Though, I still think Fuji has some good intentions, and cannot force either side to agree with each other. Though I also do think Malomtek should probably slow down a bit with reporting people in the future or mass DMing multiple staff members. But I also have work today, and cannot type posts that are too uber long atm.

Though, I do hope ensuring both of them know the situation and the report should help clear out some things. And I also agree that the offsite DMs aren't really publicly harmful. And I do not know full context of what was going on, but Prom has also told both sides to calm down and has mostly lost interest in Touhou debates from what I heard. And I do agree it's a good idea if a few more Admins were more active for the situation.

I can call for more staff members if you wish.

 

[OverlordDonnelly]

Since I was brought up, I'd like to make it clear that my intention was not to follow Mal or antagonize him.

While I've only brought it up once or twice in the past, the huge bleach cosmology upgrades were what originally convinced me to make an account after years of just lurking. Given the fact that somebody was attempting a downgrade, I went into the thread.

I'll admit I should have held my tongue with the passive aggression, but my point that Mal's arguments were retreads of the previous CRT and that he misunderstood some of the info, was not meant to be a personal attack.

That said, I apologize for getting a tad bit snarky.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Only @FujiwaraYesMokou left, i think she need to be pinged here

 

[Antvasima]

Medeus already pinged her earlier.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I already pinged Fuji above.

 

[Mobi2]

Honestly as someone who only participates in the touhou threads I can say for sure the threads eventually just devolve into a shouting match between both parties. There's no good guy here. It isn't fun when a simple proposal thread turns into a csgo ranked lobby with the same people.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I think I should clarify that my initial statement in the Bleach thread (minus the statement about Mal showing similar behavior in Touhou threads) would've been the same regardless of who made it; I do not think anyone who attempts to reverse such a major revision using bad faith arguments and a lack of evidence should be taken seriously and they should be called out for it.

As for everything else, that's just a matter of me being really tired of dealing with his constant stonewalling and lack of evidence. By no means is this a defense so do what you will.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the issue is that you need to make a serious effort to clean up your behaviour in this regard.

 

[Malomtek]

I think I should clarify that my initial statement in the Bleach thread (minus the statement about Mal showing similar behavior in Touhou threads) would've been the same regardless of who made it

Is that why you made it a very pointed attack against me personally? There was also the fact that you admitted to barely even caring about Bleach, which means that you literally just jumped in that thread because you saw that I made it and wanted to attempt a call-out post against me.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Could you BOTH stop this hissy fit?! RVR ain't the place for that, please just take it to a wall, or better yet, throw this problem into the ocean and throw a nuke that's had its timer activated behind it and drop this entirely.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Is that why you made it a very pointed attack against me personally? There was also the fact that you admitted to barely even caring about Bleach, which means that you literally just jumped in that thread because you saw that I made it and wanted to attempt a call-out post against me.

Imma stop you right there.

Everything that needed to be said, has been said. Leave it to the admins now.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

No, I was made aware of the thread by someone else. I doubt I would've noticed otherwise.

Saying that you should provide evidence, especially for a topic as thoroughly debated as universal Bleach, is not a personal attack.

Well, the issue is that you need to make a serious effort to clean up your behaviour in this regard.

Alright, I don't have a problem with that.

 

[Antvasima]

So you will try to permanently leave Malomtek alone without personal attacks then?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Yes. Are we counting calling out his lack of evidence as personal attacks though?

 

[Malomtek]

Yes. Are we counting calling out his lack of evidence as personal attacks though?

That's misrepresenting what you're doing, though. Saying "oh good, so your inaccurate and bad faith downplaying isn't exclusive to Touhou" and "as someone who regularly has to deal with his (Malomtek's) bullshit in Touhou CRTs, I can guarantee you that he didn't" isn't just bringing attention to a lack of evidence, it's a pointed attempt to belittle and antagonize someone.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Snip

stop this hissy fit?! RVR ain't the place for that, please just take it to a wall, or better yet, throw this problem into the ocean and throw a nuke that's had its timer activated behind it and drop this entirely.

Imma stop you right there.

Everything that needed to be said, has been said. Leave it to the admins now.

As others have pointed out "Cease and Desist" or take it out on each other's message walls.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

It's clear @Malomtek and @FujiwaraYesMokou will NEVER see eye to eye. It's just two folks don't get along plain and simple, they should just ignore each other if it's going to cause drama (That includes messaging each other on their walls or on other sites).

I will say no more on this subject since I've seen where this rabbit hole leads and it ain't fun, let's move on ok?

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Axiom.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

It's clear @Malomtek and @FujiwaraYesMokou will NEVER see eye to eye. It's just two folks don't get along plain and simple, they should just ignore each other if it's going to cause drama (That includes messaging each other on their walls or on other sites).

I will say no more on this subject since I've seen where this rabbit hole leads and it ain't fun, let's move on ok?

How about the Touhou CRT tho? Thats where the thing started

 

[Malomtek]

I agree with Axiom.

So uh, do you have anything to say in response to this?

Yes. Are we counting calling out his lack of evidence as personal attacks though?

Please note what I've said in response to it as well.

 

[DaReaperMan]

There comes a point where two people just don't see eye to eye, please be adults and try and debate eachother respectfully while re reading all of the posts you type to see if there's anything you'll regret, I don't want to see either of you on RVR again for this.

 

[DaReaperMan]

So uh, do you have anything to say in response to this?

Please note what I've said in response to it as well.

For the love of all stop signs in the galaxy, cease and desist. RVR ain't the place.

 

[Antvasima]

Look, you both simply need to try to be polite and respectful when addressing each other in all interactions. That is all.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

So uh, do you have anything to say in response to this?

Please note what I've said in response to it as well.

As Reaper said above, STOP

Let the staff reply, and handle the situation on their own time and pace, they're people too with their own lives (Which are not dedicated to running this place)

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Look, you both simply need to try to be polite and respectful when addressing each other in all interactions. That is all.

If it doesn’t work, I did suggest they don’t do any interactions with one another at all.

How long that will last is up to them though

 

[Antvasima]

As Reaper said above, STOP

Let the staff reply, and handle the situation on their own time and pace, they're people too with their own lives (Which are not dedicated to running this place)

Well, except for me at least, but I am tired and overworked right now.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

If it doesn’t work, I did suggest they don’t do any interactions with one another at all.

How long that will last is up to them though

I agree with this.

Simply avoid each other if you can't interact in a civilized manner.