Kaito vs Ritsuka: Social influencing battle!

[DaReaperMan]

Because Expectro wanted this to happen

Speed equal

Start 5 meters away

Mash is with Ritsuka

Kaito: 0

Ritsuka: 0

incon: 7

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Just to note, since Kaito have the help of Shiro I think it would also be good if Ritsuka have Mash at his side, since she is basically always with him and so.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Just to note, since Kaito have the help of Shiro I think it would also be good if Ritsuka have Mash at his side, since she is basically always with him and so.

Mash is standard equipment.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Fair then.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Assuming Ritsuka has smurf stuff?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Assuming Ritsuka has smurf stuff?

Not unless he summons a servant that has that like Gilgamesh.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Assuming Ritsuka has smurf stuff?

With Mash around basically any haxs that happen in the arounds is passively nulled with her A-rank Magic Resistance which null smurf haxs, and she herself would be able to defend against tier 1 attacks and so.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

It would basically be a physical fight between the two with their respective social influencing taking action.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I mean if anything Kaito or Shiro does is nulled, what exactly are they suppose to do here? I mean The Epilogue is "faster" than the Prologue (Fully Awakened) which is "faster" than passives.

However if Mash passive nulls immeasurables, as i am guessing they do, pretty useless, and speed is equalized anyway, though the faster was in quotation cause it's not really speed but causality shenanigans, not to mention while the Epilogue is indeed passive, as it's always in effect, Shiro normally doesn't let its effects happen, so she would still need to think, to let that actually happen.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Beating somebody's ass is not Ritsuka's first resort and Mash would follow that

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

I mean if anything Kaito or Shiro does is nulled, what exactly are they suppose to do here? I mean The Epilogue is "faster" than the Prologue (Fully Awakened) which is "faster" than passives.

However if Mash passive nulls immeasurables, as i am guessing they do, pretty useless, and speed is equalized anyway, though the faster was in quotation cause it's not really speed but causality shenanigans, not to mention while the Epilogue is indeed passive, as it's always in effect, Shiro normally doesn't let its effects happen, so she would still need to think, to let that actually happen.

Hmm, I didn't though in the immesurable thing, while she indeed passively null things of higher d and can defend against attacks from immesurables, I'm not sure if the passive null would also be immesurable. And even without haxs they can still fight physically and talk, after all they have impressive social influencing and both seem to use it a lot.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

If it's a fist fight both apparently can become 9-B, though really aside from stats, Kaito isn't a fighter, nor is he gigabrained.

Beating someone up from the start isn't really Kaito style either, he would try talking with them.

 

[DaReaperMan]

If it's a fist fight both apparently can become 9-B, though really aside from stats, Kaito isn't a fighter, nor is he gigabrained.

Beating someone up from the start isn't really Kaito style either, he would try talking with them.

So... now we get to the meat of the debate. Who's social influencing is better.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Beating somebody's ass is not Ritsuka's first resort and Mash would follow that

It's not his first resort but since the other part is also a "normal human" is possible and talk is always free, Mash would basically be a stop to haxs and smurfs.

If it's a fist fight both apparently can become 9-B, though really aside from stats, Kaito isn't a fighter, nor is he gigabrained.

Beating someone up from the start isn't really Kaito style either, he would try talking with them.

Ritsuka have experience fighting and can hold his ground to a extent, but he style is also try to talk first.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

So... now we get to the meat of the debate. Who's social influencing is better.

Basically.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Ritsuka have experience fighting and can hold his ground to a extent, but he style is also try to talk first.

Speaking of we need to put Martial Arts on Ritsuka's page, for obvious reasons

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Speaking of we need to put Martial Arts on Ritsuka's page, for obvious reasons

After the current crts end, I was thinking in trying to give him supernatural luck so that could also be added in that moment.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Kaito FRA

 

[BoastJr]

imagine if Ritsuka had Alice's hekatonkheires ability (a busted ability if your a Harem Protag with Strong ppl).
He would literally be a Tier Low1C Smurf with Tier 1A Hax lmao.
(not to derail or anything)

 

[Ballsdeep69]

Bumb?

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

With all honesty this would probably end in inco because they talk until they are best friends or a couple, it's their main course of action normally and the thing in which they are good so it's how I see the things end most of the time.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Becoming a couple is pretty realistic, since that's exactly what Kaito goes around doing, would have to think how many people are in his harem by now, definitely over 20.

Ritsuka has any sort of mental or personal issues? Singularity gonna singularity, Kaito would again be that one thing that she needed.

 

[DaReaperMan]

She lost it at the end of first lostbelt but then had some sense talked into her with extreme prejudice. So no as of currently that I know of

 

[BoastJr]

I guess I found my new ship

 

[DaReaperMan]

I guess I found my new ship

Don't worry there's more then enough **** of Ritsuka with various servants to go around. Some more with a crossover won't change the rest lol

 

[BoastJr]

Becoming a couple is pretty realistic, since that's exactly what Kaito goes around doing, would have to think how many people are in his harem by now, definitely over 20.

Wait.... odd question but doesnt kaito's harem powers work on guys too?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yes and no. It works on guys in that even people like Megiddo who are pretty dangerous being a combat maniac, are subject to it, hence why Kaito wasn't just killed by them, and they actually consider him a friend.

I mean Kaito is the only dude who can causally ask Magnawell for his scales which are pretty valuable, he is close with basically everyone.

However they aren't gay for him, and Kaito doesn't like men.

Edit: Though Megiddo is genderless just looks like a male while sealed, and their true form is clearly feminine, so who knows maybe Kaito will conquer Megiddo....

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Ritsuka has any sort of mental or personal issues? Singularity gonna singularity, Kaito would again be that one thing that she needed.

No, the most was the thing that Reaper mentioned about that in Lostbelt 1 they feel bad about having to save the Pan-Humanity at the cost of countless lives of other worlds, but at the end of Lostbelt 1 they accept it and later even though they still don't feel happy about it they continue forward.

If is Gudako (female) would be more easy that they become a couple and with Gudao (male) would be more probably that they become best friend instead, though I can think in some guys that even so would like to become a couple with him.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Mental or personal issues aren't really needed, just thought it would be neet if it's again another case of Kaito making a female overcome their issues.

Lilia didn't exactly have issues, unless you count her guilt i guess for Sieg getting injured. Sieg herself was proud of her injury, she didn't really have any issues just that she needed to heal her injuries to help Kaito.

Illness was content and had no problems either, she just fell for Kaito by observing him.

Anima, i guess you could say was immature, but developed by the afterstories. Chronois doesn't really have much issues except a complex i guess about being tall and flat cheasted.

Fate was only interested in him at first, so she could use him, and slack off work, only to fall in love, and get rid of her mentality of not being interested in people she can control.

Anyway in short it's not really about mental hangups or whatever, being with Kaito means you develop as a person.

 

[OriginFox]

Probably an incon tbh

 

[Ballsdeep69]

It works on guys in that even people like Megiddo who are pretty dangerous being a combat maniac, are subject to it

Megiddo is a demon which are all normally genderless so one could argue that his harem mc powers don't work on guys.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Pretty sure demons are diverse, in that some are male, female, others genderless, demons who can't even eat, demons who do eat etc.

[…Speaking of which, Kuro. Are you a boy or a girl?]
[Me? “It can change either way.” I’m a girl now, though.]
[…Is it normal for demons to be able to freely change their gender?]
[Nope. There are differences among the demons. Some are male and female just like the humans do, some that don’t reproduce and don’t have the concept of gender itself, and some that can change to whatever they want just like me~]
[Huhh… How mysterious.]
As I thought, not everything in my common sense works in this world. Ah, that’s right, Lunamaria-san is probably looking for me too. I have to quickly meet up with her.-Chapter 6

[…In the Humans… there are both men and women… but there are more women.]
[I see… Is that also the same case for the Demons?]
[…As for the Demons… it’s a bit… complicated… There are some like Megiddo… who doesn’t have the concept of gender… or Kuromueina…
and Shalltear… who can change their gender at will.]
[Come to think of it, I remember hearing something like that.]
I know, of course, that Kuro can change her gender at will, because she already said that to me before but… This is the first time I’ve heard that Megiddo-san doesn’t have a gender and that the Phantasmal King can change her gender at will.-Chapter 132

In short no all demons are not genderless and Kaito has befriended male demons.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Side note, Kaito is also called a monster tamer, cause of his pets, a Behemoth, one of the strongest monsters around, who basically loved him from he saw Kaito, forgot if Bell is male or female, leaning towards male, and then Lindwurm, a wyvern who also apparently was not suppose to like someone she just met, but stuck real close to Kaito and basically got herself sold as Kaito's pet, and is now working on making herself strong enough to be able to transform into a human, due to how much she loves Kaito...

Kaito's mc powers extends all the way from spirits to dragons.

 

[Ballsdeep69]

Kaito's mc powers extends all the way from spirits to dragons.

I mean guda's mc powers worked on God So there's that.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Normally the power of talk no jutsu tend to work regardless of gender (though in cases like harem protas it's normally more effective in the oppose gener but that don't matter now) so I would be more surprised if that wasn't case with Kaito.

As curiosity Ritsuka talk no jutsu have showed to work in characters who's gender vary from the normal male and female to things more extreme like both (Caenis or Kiichi), clay (Enkidu), China (Shi Huang Di), Roma (Romulus) and so. And in things like big snakes (Ibuki or Vitra), a horse (Red Hare), a mammoth (Ivan), a wolf (Hessian), a Fou (Fou), and so.

Anyways, both talk then kiss and end in inco.

 

[Armerish]

Normally the power of talk no jutsu tend to work regardless of gender (though in cases like harem protas it's normally more effective in the oppose gener but that don't matter now) so I would be more surprised if that wasn't case with Kaito.

As curiosity Ritsuka talk no jutsu have showed to work in characters who's gender vary from the normal male and female to things more extreme like both (Caenis or Kiichi), clay (Enkidu), China (Shi Huang Di), Roma (Romulus) and so. And in things like big snakes (Ibuki or Vitra), a horse (Red Hare), a mammoth (Ivan), a wolf (Hessian), a Fou (Fou), and so.

Anyways, both talk then kiss and end in inco.

I am not sure if this is the worst or Best Incon.

 

[Ballsdeep69]

Normally the power of talk no jutsu tend to work regardless of gender (though in cases like harem protas it's normally more effective in the oppose gener but that don't matter now) so I would be more surprised if that wasn't case with Kaito.

Has Kaito's harem powers worked on an actual dude and not a "this demon is genderless with a female true form but is called a male" way?
honestly i would say guda wins because protected my mash+summons a complex multiversal smurf.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Has Kaito's harem powers worked on an actual dude and not a "this demon is genderless with a female true form but is called a male" way?
honestly i would say guda wins because protected my mash+summons a complex multiversal smurf.

Nah, in this fight he just have Mash around watching, Ritsuka is fighting (talking) by himself.

 

[Ballsdeep69]

Nah, in this fight he just have Mash around watching, Ritsuka is fighting (talking) by himself.

Then what's this?

Mash is standard equipment.

And what about him summoning smurfs?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Then what's this?

And what about him summoning smurfs?

A mistake since Mash used to be so.

He'd talk before then AND he needs to be at a leyline/have a massive energy source nearby to do so, plus it takes time for the ladder.