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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Godzilla slaps Kong just like FH Ichi slaps SE Ulq
Yes ichigo gets zenkais but to say a half powered bankai ichigo is above res ulq is going to far. Also ichigo never mentioned himself getting stronger after that fight at all he even after he used his new mask. He was questioning weather something changed with his hollow mask. Which implies he can't tell the difference.

But yeah with your logic rukia>>>2nd res ulq cuz she also hurt yammy lol
 
Starrk’s number is still there on his hand when he enters Resureccion so I’m pretty sure Harribel’s is just blocked by her cleavage when she enters Resureccion. Ulquiorra’s number just straight up disappears from his chest when he enters Segunda Etapa. So like I always thought that it was at least agreed by people that Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra is at least stronger than Espadas 1-3 but not 0.

Also didn’t the databook say Resureccion Yammy is 10x Base Yammy?
starks number is not seen after he went R, harribels number straight up disappeared
 
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Her booby is fairly exposed and I see no 3

Ooook well the profiles say otherwise lol
Because VSBW is definitely the objective end-all-be-all of scaling...
 
Yes ichigo gets zenkais but to say a half powered bankai ichigo is above res ulq is going to far. Also ichigo never mentioned himself getting stronger after that fight at all he even after he used his new mask. He was questioning weather something changed with his hollow mask. Which implies he can't tell the difference.

But yeah with your logic rukia>>>2nd res ulq cuz she also hurt yammy lol

we dont need him to tell us since is already establish that he gets a zenkai boost on fights and souls gets it after near or death experiences
 
And being off guard in bleach doesn't lower your durability. Like ichigo couldn't cutt Kenpachi even with his guard and when it comes to arrancar their scan is passively harder than steel
 
Alright well I say let’s just drop this topic, honestly pretty pointless you feel?
Naw it's not toxic, it's clean deliberation

And being off guard in bleach doesn't lower your durability
Active durability > passive durability, so it would still be less than FH Ichigo dura when he's actively trying to block

passively harder than steel
steel level Espada is the new meta

10 years later and people still arguing about Arrancar Arc stats. Sheet.
You'd think Kubo telling people 0 > 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > etc would be simple but I guess not
 
we dont need him to tell us since is already establish that he gets a zenkai boost on fights and souls gets it after near or death experiences
Saying he got over 100× stronger after one fight is absurd considering. Base ulq was already above bankai. And 2nd res ulq is 2 forms above that.
 
Yes ichigo gets zenkais but to say a half powered bankai ichigo is above res ulq is going to far. Also ichigo never mentioned himself getting stronger after that fight at all he even after he used his new mask. He was questioning weather something changed with his hollow mask. Which implies he can't tell the difference.
This is like saying Kenpachi didnt say he got stronger after his battle against Ichigo so lets ignore all his feats and wait for Retsu to come hundreds of chapters later to tell us that he gets stronger each fight, just because I wanna say SS Ichigo can defeat Yammy
And being off guard in bleach doesn't lower your durability. Like ichigo couldn't cutt Kenpachi even with his guard and when it comes to arrancar their scan is passively harder than steel
Bad example, if his dura didnt drop down then it just means his body is more durabile than his horn? Or its a plot hole? Or u can tell us how VL can magically block that attack using his barehand
 
You'd think Kubo telling people 0 > 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > etc would be simple but I guess not
I mean that’s mostly due to Ulquiorra having a second transformation and the Aizen has never seen this form statement. If it weren’t for that than yeah 0 > 1 > 2 > 3 > 4.

It also doesn’t help that the Unmasked databook says the gap between Base Yammy and Resureccion Yammy is just 10x.
 
i understand why people might put ulquiorra higher tho he got alot of screentime, writing and honestly taking scaling/potency out the lanza is probably the most devastating ability aoe wise ive seen, even the guy that fought hisagi had a cooler aoe feat then the top 3 imo
 
It also doesn’t help that the Unmasked databook says the gap between Base Yammy and Resureccion Yammy is just 10x.
Rage stored base Yammy > base Yammy from the start of the arc.

i understand why people might put ulquiorra higher tho he got alot of screentime, writing and honestly taking scaling/potency out the lanza is probably the most devastating ability aoe wise ive seen, even the guy that fought hisagi had a cooler aoe feat then the top 3 imo
Ulq is a really popular character, it can't be helped. Same people who think Ulq is the strongest also prolly think Gerard > Askin, but that's their L
 
Ulq is a really popular character, it can't be helped. Same people who think Ulq is the strongest also prolly think Gerard > Askin, but that's their L
Wait you are talking about Base Gerard and Askin right? Cause I’m pretty sure Gerard at his peak is stronger than Askin in power. Askin’s ability mostly negates durability to my knowledge.
 
Base ulq=mask ichigo who is 5-10× than bankia. Then 1st release is another 5× 2nd is another 10×. So 5×5×10=250×

So your saying ichigo got over 250× stronger
 
Wait you are talking about Base Gerard and Askin right? Cause I’m pretty sure Gerard at his peak is stronger than Askin in power. Askin’s ability mostly negates durability to my knowledge.
No he means Askin is stronger than Gerard, pretty sure he will use the Aizen > EoS captains which I dont agree with but since he is using it to wank Askin and Kisuke Im fine with that
 
Base ulq=mask ichigo who is 5-10× than bankia. Then 1st release is another 5× 2nd is another 10×. So 5×5×10=250×

So your saying ichigo got over 250× stronger
No base Ulq isnt equal to mask Ichigo, masked Ichigo was pushing him and even his cero was destroyed, its safe to say Ulq was forced to use his res
 
Wait you are talking about Base Gerard and Askin right? Cause I’m pretty sure Gerard at his peak is stronger than Askin in power. Askin’s ability mostly negates durability to my knowledge.
Hehehehehe another day my friend, another day.

Vollstandig Askin dookies on the strongest version of Gerard and puts him in a noogie

Base ulq=mask ichigo who is 5-10× than bankia. Then 1st release is another 5× 2nd is another 10×. So 5×5×10=250×

So your saying ichigo got over 250× stronger
Actually, Ulq's Res is an unquantifiable amp, the only form of his with a stated amp is SE via being above his CO, also base Ichigo was relative to base Ulq and forced Ulq to go Res with his Hollow Mask so no base Ulq doesn't equal Hollow Ichigo.

Okay seriously what the heck did I miss over the last year or so?
Can't Fear Your Own World
 
a fight in which he got smacked around like a ragdoll, being close to death on multiple occasion and then finally dying

also where the 100 came from?
Ulq nearly killed ichigo post grimmjow fight gets healed and he's relative to res grimmjow. Then fights ulq again and hes still Barely around base ulq level with hollowfication.
 
Hehehehehe another day my friend, another day.

Vollstandig Askin dookies on the strongest version of Gerard and puts him in a noogie


Actually, Ulq's Res is an unquantifiable amp, the only form of his with a stated amp is SE via being above his CO, also base Ichigo was relative to base Ulq and forced Ulq to go Res with his Hollow Mask so no base Ulq doesn't equal Hollow Ichigo.


Can't Fear Your Own World
No no I have read Can’t Fear Your Own World. But like what have I missed about the scaling cause it seems like quite a few things have changed ever since I stopped following the thread.

Like what do we somehow accept the Gremmy is the strongest Quincy after Yhwach thing as well now?
 
Okay seriously what the heck did I miss over the last year or so?
So Kyoraku estimates Tokinada to be on the same level as Yoruichi and Byakuya, Tokinada is stated to be weaker than base Aizen
Kisuke scales tk base Aizen
Kisuke equals to or stronger than base Aizen > Tokinada = end of tybw Byakuya who destroyed Gerard
And Askin scales to Kisuke
I think thats what Arc means?
 
No no I have read Can’t Fear Your Own World. But like what have I missed about the scaling cause it seems like quite a few things have changed ever since I stopped following the thread.
Vollstandig Askin ~ Kisuke ~ base Aizen > Tokinada ~ end of TYBW Captains (specifically Byakuya) ~ giant 2nd Vollstandig Gerard

Like what do we somehow accept the Gremmy is the strongest Quincy after Yhwach thing as well now?
No lol
 
Ulq nearly killed ichigo post grimmjow fight gets healed and he's relative to res grimmjow. Then fights ulq again and hes still Barely around base ulq level with hollowfication.
Bruh stop he was forcing Ulq to use his res they werent on the same level Ichigo was clearly stronger than him lol
Res Ulq > Ichigo > base Ulq
 
So Kyoraku estimates Tokinada to be on the same level as Yoruichi and Byakuya, Tokinada is stated to be weaker than base Aizen
Kisuke scales tk base Aizen
Kisuke equals to or stronger than base Aizen > Tokinada = end of tybw Byakuya who destroyed Gerard
And Askin scales to Kisuke
I think thats what Arc means?
Didn’t Byakuya only hurt Gerard with his strongest attack in Bankai? I seem to recall Gerard slapping away Byakuya’s normal bankai after using Miracle but before Volstandig. But honestly at this point I think it’s better if I just stay out of the scaling. I honestly have no clue what is going on now.
 
Bruh stop he was forcing Ulq to use his res they werent on the same level Ichigo was clearly stronger than him lol
Res Ulq > Ichigo > base Ulq
Ulq blocked a getsuga amp sword swing from masked ichigo. Ichigos getsuga wrapped sword swings are above his normal sword attacks so yeah he would scale.
 
Ulq nearly killed ichigo post grimmjow fight gets healed and he's relative to res grimmjow. Then fights ulq again and hes still Barely around base ulq level with hollowfication.
around UL base at bankai, after he went HF he was pushing UL who then went above to use R
 
Ulq blocked a getsuga amp sword swing from masked ichigo. Ichigos getsuga wrapped sword swings are above his normal sword attacks so yeah he would scale.
I dont think it was like that, Ulq was getting pushed by that Ichigo that u mentioned and his sword almost got destroyed lol
 
Ulq blocked a getsuga amp sword swing from masked ichigo. Ichigos getsuga wrapped sword swings are above his normal sword attacks so yeah he would scale.
Yes, and his sword almost breaks from trying that and is visibly shocked...

Also, why is Ichigo falling after he tanked Ulquiorra's CO and even weakened at far less than half power he is still taking blows from a visibly irritated who at that point is actually trying to release as much power possible to break Ichigo

Ulquiorra releases and is still trying and failing to one shot Ichigo. Now you may say Ulquiorra broke his mask but it's already pointed out Ichigo's mask is fragile yet in order for that to happen Ichigo actually blocked that blow from Ulquiorra.
 
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