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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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In appearance only yes
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SK Yhwach is night and day compared to WSK, Almighty Yhwach was already above WSK.
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Yhwach has all the power of Reio at his current weakened state. The majority of Reio’s power was lost when they cut him to pieces over a long period of time. Thus making him a helpless battery.
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Yea, not saying SK is weaker than WSK, just saying he is not on the same level of the prime soul king (which his husk alone with no other pieces can hold creation)
If u said "Yhwach absorbs ALL of the pieces of the soul king, from fullbring to his legs" then yes, I would say he is on the same level as prime reio, but he did not.
Which again, the fact the husk is capable of holding and giving someone enought power to destroy and create the cosmology just shows that prime reio at 100% is just far beyond the logic and truly worthy of being address as the god of the verse
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If Yhwach absorbed every bit of Reio he’d surpass his prime as Almighty Yhwach by himself is above the husk of Reio. You don’t need every bit of Reio to reach his level.
Both SK Yhwach and Prime Reio can create and destroy realms.
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Ohh never mind it was just the rob the zero squad gave him. In that case i believe he's in bankai. Both zanagestu became one. Also the outer part of ichigos bankia yhwach broke was just shell. Zanagestu we see at the end was the complete version
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There is a difference with their A, with SK having 4 irises, while Yhwach had 3
Also some power of the husk got away cus Yhwach could not handle all of it
Not saying u do, just saying that prime reio >>>> everyone
I mean if ur argument is that both can destroy/create it then yea, I dont think anyone was arguing that YH couldn't
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Now wouldn't that be something, the warden of hell is just the legs of 5he soul king with eyes
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Pretty sure Pre-Timeskip wise Ulquiorra would indeed be the strongest if Cien doesn’t count as an Espada. Also speaking of which didn‘t Kubo say that the Hell Verse version of Ulquiorra vs Ichigo was how he originally envisioned the fight between them going?
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I mean there is a 50% chance Yhwach himself is a piece of the SK according to the novel. 
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Res Harribel ***** on SE Ulq, Kubo never said HV was the intended version, not that it matters.
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Dude according to Mayuri in Spirits Are Forever With You, 30% Base Cien is superior to Yammy at his peak. And according to Uryu, Resureccion Cien was comparable to Full Hollow Ichigo. Ulquiorra can barely keep up with Full Hollow Ichigo and even cut off his horn. So no matter how you scale it he should at least be stronger than 30% Base Cien who is stronger than Yammy at his peak who is stated multiple times to be the strongest Espada.
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This novel does not have an official translation? She would be a nice addition, mainly because she explains Kenpachi's powers, ability to get stronger near death.
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he said it is closer to how he actually envisioned the fight so its more cannon (just ulq vs ichi not the movie), but yea it doesnt matter it just means hallibel would perform better than ulquiorra against vasto lorde
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Well maybe, but still a 50 -50 chanceI mean there is a 50% chance Yhwach himself is a piece of the SK according to the novel.
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Don’t bring up my past mistakes so braizenly
SE Ulq doesn’t scale to FH Ichigo at all, he got his strongest attack crushed by Ichigo bare hand
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Couldn't the translation team translate the entire novel? Would you mind posting the link again please?
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I mean, idk ichigo was running at like what, 20%?
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I have the physical copies so I’m probably not gonna post the whole novel as it takes too long to take a picture of all the pages. But I think I still have images of the statements somewhere in my image gallery. I’ll post them on an Imgur once I find them.
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What is this?
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Couldn’t find my copy of Spirits Are Forever With You Vol. 1 so I substituted the 30% Base Cien > Yammy statement from the first volume with the chinese translation instead. But anyways here are the statements from Spirits Are Forever With You.
The first image is the Base Cien > Yammy statement in Chinese
The second image is Base Cien revealing to Piccaro that he’s only at 30% power
The third image is Uryu saying both Kenpachi and 100% Resureccion Cien have reiatsu comparable to Ichigo when he went out of control
The fourth image is Aizen telling Azashiro that Yamamoto and Kenpachi are the only captains among the Gotei 13 that he judged to be dangerous. Kenpachi in particular he did not want to face before subjugating the Hogyoku.
The first image is the Base Cien > Yammy statement in Chinese
The second image is Base Cien revealing to Piccaro that he’s only at 30% power
The third image is Uryu saying both Kenpachi and 100% Resureccion Cien have reiatsu comparable to Ichigo when he went out of control
The fourth image is Aizen telling Azashiro that Yamamoto and Kenpachi are the only captains among the Gotei 13 that he judged to be dangerous. Kenpachi in particular he did not want to face before subjugating the Hogyoku.
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so, 20% ish berserk ichigo = 100% cien
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I thought we considered Ichigo to be at roughly 50% during that fight due to Unohana saying he was at half power? Where did 20% come from?
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If Base cien 30%>>>yammy then 100% base cien should be be 3× stronger than yammy and release cien should 30× considering resurrection is 10×. Cien= Vl ichigo in power so VL ichigo is 30× above yammy and ulq could match him with a cero oscuras which proves that proves ulq is above yammy
The databooks saying only ulqirrora can achieve the 2nd release i think implies he's secretly the strongest espada
The databooks saying only ulqirrora can achieve the 2nd release i think implies he's secretly the strongest espada
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Exactly. So no matter how you look at it Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra should be closer to 100% Resureccion Cien rather than 30% Base Cien. So this clearly shows that Ulquiorra in Segunda Etapa is stronger than all the Espadas Pre-Timeskip.
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Bruh, LMAO. This is why I don't mess with multipliers.
Anyway despite the wank in that novel for some characters (Kenpachi), the fact remains that pure Shinigami Aizen >>>> everyone in the verse at least in terms of Reaitsu even after most of these characters got multiple power ups in TYBW.
In fact now that we know Aizen & Yhwach kept the door shut, it obviously meant before be was sealed and that was pure Shinigami Aizen. He was literally magnitudes above everyone else.
So people can wank Ulquiorra all you want but don't get lost in your fantasies trying to compare him to Aizen.
Anyway despite the wank in that novel for some characters (Kenpachi), the fact remains that pure Shinigami Aizen >>>> everyone in the verse at least in terms of Reaitsu even after most of these characters got multiple power ups in TYBW.
In fact now that we know Aizen & Yhwach kept the door shut, it obviously meant before be was sealed and that was pure Shinigami Aizen. He was literally magnitudes above everyone else.
So people can wank Ulquiorra all you want but don't get lost in your fantasies trying to compare him to Aizen.
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Well nobody here right now is saying that.
Also that reminds me Azashiro Kenpachi has a profile and it’s not updated.
Also that reminds me Azashiro Kenpachi has a profile and it’s not updated.
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Ichigo's Vasto Lorde Robes. It's not just his cloak that measures his power, it's his entire robe and sandals.
When Ichigo talked with Unohana his Bankai pants and right sleeve were complete while his coat tail was still forming with his bandages that he usually has under the cloak there and he calls that his 50%
But as Vasto Lorde Ichigo basically has one pant leg, no bandages, his sleeve only barely goes over his elbow and he doesn't even have a coat anymore just the sleeve that covers his arm and upper right chest.
