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Not at all, SE Ulq doesn't scale to FH Ichigo at all. You don't scale to characters who can effortlessly tank your strongest attack bare handed with no damage.
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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We could just measure it, heck I know someone who does measures so I could ask them. Would that be allowed?
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didnt remember if it was 20 or 50
either way 50% = 100% cien
edit: also Ulquiorra does not scale to FH ichigo, since berserk ichigo was just bullying him and literally tanked his most powerful attack and took no damage at all
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The fact SE Ulq is like "my offensive power isn't special but my regen is super dope", says that defeating him doesn't guarantee victory against the top 3, gets called fodder in comparison to Res Yammy (to which Ichigo doesn't disagree with), and people out here acting like he's the secret strongest Espada is wack to me.
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Because you can’t just assume something that isn’t stated in the source material or a supplementary material like the databook.
We see here that Ulquiorra using his Lanza can cut Full Hollow Ichigo’s horn. So he is clearly shown to be at least strong enough to somewhat hurt Ichigo.
Q.39: Which movie adaptation is Kubo sensei's favourite?
Kubo: What left the biggest impression on me is the opening sequence of "Hell Verse" where I had the battle between Ichigo and Ulquiorra remade, I remember how relieved I was by the superb execution. This pleased me greatly. I re-watched that scene alone many times over.
Here Kubo wanted the fight to be remade which shows that the opening was originally how he wanted the fight to turn out. This includes Ulquiorra clashing with Ichigo and knocking him back a few times as well as matching his Cero with his Lanza.
So this is clearly showing that Ulquiorra is at least somewhat close to 50% Full Hollow Ichigo.
Also Ulquiorra never said that. He only said his regen is better he never said his offense is nothing special.
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"how relieved I was by the superb execution. This pleased me greatly. I re-watched that scene alone many times over."
that just implies he loved the animation.....
that just implies he loved the animation.....
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You don't scale to tagging an off guard character.
You mean Ichigo negged his Lanza with a Cero. Less than half power FH Ichigo's Cero/base power > SE Ulq's strongest attack > his GRC > his CO = 10x his normal Cero/base power. FH Ichigo at less than half power is massively over 10x stronger than SE Ulq easy.
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K so your gonna tell me a fatigued half power bankai ichigo scales above 2nd res ulq. Cuz he tanked multiple blows from yammy
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Wait I figured it out.
Ulquiorra = Bat
Bats= Mammals
Bats = Lots of fur
Mammals with a lot of fur = Monkeys
Vasto Lorde Ichigo = Evolves from Adjuchas Ichigo
Adjuchas Ichigo = Big muscular Hollow with spikes jutting from his shoulders, tail and bird like feet
Bird like feet and tail = Reptile
Reptile with bird qualities and spikes? = Dinosaur
Dinosaur with spikes but not as big = Lizards
This all boils down to Godzilla vs Kong
Ulquiorra = Bat
Bats= Mammals
Bats = Lots of fur
Mammals with a lot of fur = Monkeys
Vasto Lorde Ichigo = Evolves from Adjuchas Ichigo
Adjuchas Ichigo = Big muscular Hollow with spikes jutting from his shoulders, tail and bird like feet
Bird like feet and tail = Reptile
Reptile with bird qualities and spikes? = Dinosaur
Dinosaur with spikes but not as big = Lizards
This all boils down to Godzilla vs Kong
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“where I had the battle between Ichigo and Ulquiorra remade”
He wanted the battle remade. So there was clearly something that he wanted in the movie version that wasn’t in the original version.
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Oh wait wrong quote. Sorry I was trying to quote Dangai_Ichigo
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Yep and I'll also tell you to cope too
less than half power FH Ichigo's hand > SE Ulq's Lanza > his GRC > his CO = 10x his Cero > his physicals -> less than half power FH Ichigo's physicals >>>> 10x SE Ulq's physicals.
half power Bankai Ichigo tanked Res Yammy's punch > SE Ulq's physicals, so yeah Ichigo who notoriously gets zenkai after near death encounters unironically catches SE Ulq's punches no diff.
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You got it backwards. Ichigo was the one that shot the Cero at Ulquiorra in the movie version. And Ulquiorra managed to match it with Lanza
So in the movie version 50% FH Ichigo’s Cero = SE Ulquiorra’s Lanza.
Okay question. Is it just me or do you really hate Ulquiorra. Like what you’re saying about Post-Resurrection Ichigo isn’t even on his profile.
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Even if I grant you less than 50% FH Ichigo's Cero = SE Ulq's Lanza that leads to this scaling chain -> less than half power FH Ichigo's Cero = SE Ulq's Lanza > his GRC > his CO = 10x his Cero, otherwise known as less than 50% FH Ichigo's Cero >> 10x SE Ulq's Cero, aka he's still massively over 10x stronger than SE Ulq.
Naw he's the best written Espada, i hate all the misspread of info (thanks Clyde) that SE Ulq is somehow the "strongest Espada"
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Because it wasn't put in his profile as of now...Also how pretty of you accusing Arc of hating Ulquiorra when for context me and him actually had this same conversation about Ulquiorra scaling to Vasto Lorde
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I deadass used to argue that SE Ulq could harm Aizen, I was a lost soul
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And as I proven Ichigo vs Ulquiorra boils down to Lizard vs Monkey
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I mean doesn‘t that still basically mean he is more likely stronger than Yammy as the gap between 30% Base Cien and 100% Resureccion Cien is 33x? But honestly if you want to just drop this I don’t mind as I never really wanted to drag this on for too long. I came back to the thread since the new manga sequel is out. I‘d rather not clutter up this thread with arguments over some old stuff.
Look I‘m not accusing him of anything. I was honestly just curious due to the tone he seemed to be talking in. Also I haven’t been following the Bleach thread ever since 2019 or 2020 when translations for Can’t Fear Your Own World ended and we moved to the new forum. I only recently started following again today due to the Howl from the Jaws of Hell Arc sequel. Didn’t bother following this thread for the mobile game stuff.
Also Ulquiorra or any Arrancar Pre-Timeskip being stronger than Base Aizen is a huge joke.
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Yes and guess what? He was confirmed to still be toying around with Kong up until the axe explosion to his face and then Godzilla went full Komodo Dragon on Kong and pretty much killed him.
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No because SE Ulquiorra is massively less than 10x weaker than a less than 50% FH Ichigo. Also, most you can say for Cien is that 30% base to 100% Res is unquantifiably greater than a 3.33x amp.
SE Ulq actually has no scaling to a hyper nerfed FH Ichigo even with his strongest attacks. Ichigo crushes his Lanza with his bare hand. Best you can say is SE Ulq scales to an off guard less than half power FH Ichigo, which isn't quantifiable.
Scaling SE Ulq to FH Ichigo is like scaling the lieutenants SS Arc Ichigo no diffed to Ichigo, it just doesn't work.
FH Ichigo > Res Cien > Res Yammy > Res Starrk > Res Baraggan > Res Tier > SE UIq > etc
The fact SE Ulq only broke FH Ichigo's horn with a surprise attack, and never legitimately damaged Ichigo should speak for itself.
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Let me put something clear here, stop ignoring clear statements for the sake of vague ones lol there are around 3 clear statements that prove Ulq isnt the strongest and people are still using some unclear ones to make those 3 wrong.
Ulq himself says he isnt the strongest
Databook confirms that
Yammy and Ichigo confirm that
People here: what 30% × 10 equals? (joking on this one btw)
Ulq himself says he isnt the strongest
Databook confirms that
Yammy and Ichigo confirm that
People here: what 30% × 10 equals? (joking on this one btw)
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That off guard Ichigo is also likely conflicted and losing even more power as the battle as the fight goes on.
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Okay just one more question. I could understand Yammy being believed to be stronger than SE Ulquiorra. But why the others? Like I don’t remember them having any statements about being stronger than SE Ulquiorra. Yammy I know has the strongest Espada statement but what about the others? The number argument shouldn’t really work as the number disappears from Ulquiorra when he enters Segunda Etapa.
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...Halibel's right breast is right there
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Why should not it work? Ulq told Ichigo even if he defeated him there are still more espada who are stronger, its not only about numbers tbh. Ulq is saying that even if Ichigo could defeat him there are still 3 more, are u saying that Ulq will get his ass kicked and gets killed without using his SE? So Ulq is like Ikaku lol.
Also the list from the databook supports his statement that he is still the 4th one
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Tier's number on her booby disappears too.
The databooks differentiate when a new form changes your rank (they denote Yammy goes to 0 with Res and Grimmjow drops to 12 without an arm), Ulquiorra receives no such denotation. The databooks rank him below Tier, Ulquiorra says he's weaker than Tier, and lastly Ulq has no scaling that puts him above Tier.
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How close in power are tier and ulquiorra normally? Because I have a hard time believing that a character with a second transformation that no other Espada has wouldn’t put him at least on the same level as her
especially when he’s just one rank under her lol
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Starrk’s number is still there on his hand when he enters Resureccion so I’m pretty sure Harribel’s is just blocked by her cleavage when she enters Resureccion. Ulquiorra’s number just straight up disappears from his chest when he enters Segunda Etapa. So like I always thought that it was at least agreed by people that Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra is at least stronger than Espadas 1-3 but not 0.
Also didn’t the databook say Resureccion Yammy is 10x Base Yammy?
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The only scaling between them is Ulq cucking down and saying she's stronger, and then every other piece of media supporting this.
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Meanwhile Tier actually has a small scaling that does put her above Ulq called taking on Vizard Mask Lisa and Vizard Hiyori along with Hitsugaya who's only there because fangirls.
You know why this puts Tier above Ulq? Oh pretty simple...It's called Ichigo's Hollowfication fluctuation making him stronger than Ulquiorra which is noted by Ulquiorra himself in a inner monologue which means Ulquiorra is not lying in that statement at all
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No lol it's just not there, her boobies aren't pressed together the entire time.
Ulq is stronger than Espadas 10-5 but not 3-0
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Blocked by her cleavage? You do realize that cleavage is the OPENING that gives the view? Her Resurrecion only covers her nipples while in the anime it is added a lower bra which even in base you can still see her number which is on the top portion of her breast in both anime and manga
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Ooook well the profiles say otherwise lol
