BSM Naruto vs Alive EMS Madara

[OneBleachHurricane]

I don't know why 6-C specifically? If it's Naruto's tier than Madara should be above that, Naruto profiles are hard to read with all those keys and forms and different tiers for techniques, physical strength and durability. It's just straight up unreadable.

You inferred that Alive Madara should be stronger than Bijū Sage Mode Naruto

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Alive Madara > Edo Madara

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Is that BSM Naruto?

 

[Slacjow]

You inferred that Alive Madara should be stronger than Bijū Sage Mode Naruto

Kind of, Alive Madara>Edo Madara who in turn should be >BSM Naruto.

 

[Purgy]

Alive Madara > Edo Madara

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Madara didn't really do anything there, it was his fan that reflected the attack, and that was BM Naruto who is 10x weaker than BSM Naruto, Edo Madara isn't anywhere near 10x weaker than Alive Madara.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Kind of, Alive Madara>Edo Madara who in turn should be >BSM Naruto.

And why would Edo Madara be High 6-C? For fighting BM Naruto who's currently 6-C?

 

[Slacjow]

Madara didn't really do anything there, it was his fan that reflected the attack, and that was BM Naruto who is 10x weaker than BSM Naruto, Edo Madara isn't anywhere near 10x weaker than Alive Madara.

Edo Madara fought Edo SM Hashirama and he stated that Alive Madara was stronger than Edo Madara, while we don't know if Alive Madara is 10x Edo Madara.
Edo Madara himself should be above Naruto by virtue of fighting Hashirama.

And why would Edo Madara be High 6-C? For fighting BM Naruto who's currently 6-C?

He fought SM Hashirama, also no tiers, just scaling. I don't want to go check their profiles every time.

 

[TauanVictor]

idk but I think then a CRT should be done about it.

 

[Purgy]

Edo Madara fought Edo SM Hashirama and he stated that Alive Madara was stronger than Edo Madara, while we don't know if Alive Madara is 10x Edo Madara.
Edo Madara himself should be above Naruto by virtue of fighting Hashirama.

We rate BSM Naruto as > SM Hashirama, so this doesn't really change anything.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Edo Madara fought Edo SM Hashirama and he stated that Alive Madara was stronger than Edo Madara, while we don't know if Alive Madara is 10x Edo Madara.
Edo Madara himself should be above Naruto by virtue of fighting Hashirama.

Sure above Base, Sage Mode, and maybe Bijū Mode Naruto without his Avatar

He fought SM Hashirama, also no tiers, just scaling. I don't want to go check their profiles every time.

SM Hashirama whether Alive or Edo is only currently 6-C though?

 

[Avengershows]

Alive Madara > Edo Madara

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That's rinnegan madara, the post is EMS Madara

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Naruto being stronger than Madara is one of the biggest mistakes of our VSB profiles.
Edo Madara by Hashi's words is far weaker than Alive Madara and Edo Madara should clap Naruto just by virtue of fighting SM Hashirama.

BSM Naruto>SM Hashirama

idk but I think then a CRT should be done about it.

I disagree. Base Hashirama~100% Kurama physically and with small bijuudamas, and BM Naruto is half as strong as that currently. So he's still physically half as strong with BSM vs SM, he just surpasses when using a supercharged bijuudama and with durability.

That's rinnegan madara, the post is EMS Madara

I mean EMS Madara is physically stronger than Edo Madara, but I don't think he's above BSM Naruto, or even necessarily BM Naruto. I don't see Madara slapping away 5 bijuudama with body flicker.

 

[Catzlaflame]

It was the Perfect Susano'o. It had features that are not present in Sasuke's Humanoid or Armored Susano'o; features that are usually exclusive to the PS from what I can tell. These features are the Samurai-like shoulder armor, the long Tengu nose, the jewel on the forehead, and if course the paper-like armor plating.

It's also not at uncommon for the Susano'o to evolve and get stronger the more its used in the midst of battle, which we saw demonstrated with Sasuke specifically during the 5 Kage Summit and the Danzo fight.

Anyway, I think that as the stats currently stand, Naruto easily wins this. He has durability FAR above Madara's highest AP, which means he can't even scratch him. Naruto could literally sit there eating everything Madara dishes out while charging a massive Bijū bomb to just one-shot Madara with. That's not even factoring in Naruto's strength advantage in base, or all of his versatility.

I realize that Naruto having durability this high is pretty whack, and I think it'll be changed soon, but alas as things stand I believe Naruto takes it.

Really? but then what did sasuke use against naruto in the final battle,
that susanoo looked 100% exactly like madaras susanoo that he used against the 5 kage when madara said “this is my perfect susanoo”

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Really? but then what did sasuke use against naruto in the final battle,
that susanoo looked 100% exactly like madaras susanoo that he used against the 5 kage when madara said “this is my perfect susanoo”

Uh...that was also the perfect susanoo. It just looks different because he's on his own rather than combining it with Naruto for the majestic attire. He did the same thing as Madara did with his PS, it even looks the same.

Was this not the perfect susanoo because it doesn't look like this?

No, it's clearly the same power, just in a slightly different form.

 

[Catzlaflame]

Yea ig that makes more sense,

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Anyone else wanna revote with Madara bloodlusted?

 

[Avengershows]

I vote for BSM Naruto

 

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[XSOULOFCINDERX]

It was the Perfect Susano'o. It had features that are not present in Sasuke's Humanoid or Armored Susano'o; features that are usually exclusive to the PS from what I can tell. These features are the Samurai-like shoulder armor, the long Tengu nose, the jewel on the forehead, and if course the paper-like armor plating.

It's also not at uncommon for the Susano'o to evolve and get stronger the more its used in the midst of battle, which we saw demonstrated with Sasuke specifically during the 5 Kage Summit and the Danzo fight.

Anyway, I think that as the stats currently stand, Naruto easily wins this. He has durability FAR above Madara's highest AP, which means he can't even scratch him. Naruto could literally sit there eating everything Madara dishes out while charging a massive Bijū bomb to just one-shot Madara with. That's not even factoring in Naruto's strength advantage in base, or all of his versatility.

I realize that Naruto having durability this high is pretty whack, and I think it'll be changed soon, but alas as things stand I believe Naruto takes it.

Agreed.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

So Naruto FRA.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

So Naruto FRA.

Ahaha this founder is going down (no hate, it's just far too common that people say the SS or PS one shot BSM Naruto)!

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Ahaha this founder is going down (no hate, it's just far too common that people say the SS or PS one shot BSM Naruto)!

I honestly can't see how when BM Naruto could fight Humanoid Susano'o Edo Rinnegan Madara without even using the Avatar and then stacks ******* Sage Mode on top of that and then has the Avatar which also has Sage Mode.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I honestly can't see how when BM Naruto could fight Humanoid Susano'o Edo Rinnegan Madara without even using the Avatar and then stacks ******* Sage Mode on top of that and then has the Avatar which also has Sage Mode.

Because they're bigger. I'm 99% sure that's the reason. Especially for the SS. I had a very long and very frustrating debate with someone who said Hashirama would clap SPSM Naruto pretty much because the SS is bigger than the Asura Avatar. Yet he also said it's not all about raw power when I proved Naruto was stronger...very mixed messages there.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Because they're bigger. I'm 99% sure that's the reason. Especially for the SS. I had a very long and very frustrating debate with someone who said Hashirama would clap SPSM Naruto pretty much because the SS is bigger than the Asura Avatar. Yet he also said it's not all about raw power when I proved Naruto was stronger...very mixed messages there.

He sounds like a ******* idiot.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

He sounds like a ******* idiot.

 

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[Sonicflare9]

naruto fra

 

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[RisingIons]

The 9 tails was like 80% of Madara’s higher power, Naruto eats

 

[MinatoSparkle]

The 9 tails was like 80% of Madara’s higher power, Naruto eats

I wouldn't say THAT. The Base Wood Golem countered a Bijuudama from 100% Kurama

And Madara fought the SM Wood Golem evenly

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Not to mention that Madara stated his Perfect Susano'o is comparable to the Bijū in terms of destructive power, likely in reference to the only Bijū he has experience with, Kurama.
Also, base Edo Hashirama stated that he has more chakra than Bijū Mode Naruto.

In any case, the profiles have changed (again) due to the new calcs and changes that were implemented, so Hashirama has a big AP advantage with Wood Release now. Though he's much weaker than Naruto physically (for the time being anyway).