Which literally falls back to "it's an item that's used to amplify your power". An item amplifying you doesn't exactly warrant that it makes you equal in power to the owner.
That's a single-minded idea. If a character has X tier on their arms and a certain size w/ them but something makes them grow their arms makes times bigger and better then you have crearly what's attributed to the character by themselves and the thing amping them, all the og size of the character as it was applied to their new figure is their own merit on their own tier, all the extra body mass that overlaps from their og form is not their own metit, that's from the thing amping them and w/ the same tier as they can use those new parts to attack w/ the same tier.
To say that we just can't give a tier to it is like saying that a character of a certain tier shooting an energy beam being helped by a character of unknown tier making the beam 4 times bigger (and somehow better) shouldn't scale to the same tier due to it being unquantifiable.
The Jamba Hearts aren't items, but living things using their power to do what they did just to showcase their power, part of the purpose of it being in turn to make players notice how powerful Void Termina should be.
So it gives him duplication. Amazing. Can't wait to give any duplication equipment equal tiering to its user.
If you don't, then an item that can make copies of a 4-A (by turning them into energy, splitting, and turning those into a copy each) may as well to copies of a 3-A too, if this doesn't raise an eyebrow then idk what to tell you.
I forgot, the heart MK got also gave him TK attacks, with which he could cover you with energy from the heart to trap you and harm you. MK got that 4-A attack because of the heart.
This feels pretty outdated, considering this scan is from Kirby's very first game.
It's old, yes, but not outdated. Whispy's the first boss or sub-boss you face in most games, or an environmental hazard when anything can be that. He blows air at you and throws apples, I would think he's meant to be weak for his own reasons and as a dynamic in the Kirby games where more powerful stuff pops up later.
Is there anymore cases where he isn't canonically fodder?
When he shows up more than once in a game or gets amped, if he shows up again then so do other bosses, and their would-be bigger power (via powerscaling) only goes for them as individuals rather than the beings of the same species.
Because he can still
harm the cast from other games.
So does a Waddle Dee.
And I imagine his
other versions shouldn't be completely stronger than him.
It was created by Taranza, a 4-A, to stop Kirby from following him, and Taranza didn't know how who Kirby was. And he's still the first boss w/o any reason to scale at 4-A, unlike the second boss.
I mean it's generally shown while usually being an early game boss, he himself can make himself grow, which I imagine would mean he's stronger than before.
Yeah, the tree can also jump and fly.
And if you yourself claim Kirby gets stronger often, you'd think he would too in order not to get completely stomped.
Many things
- He's a member of a species, if it's shown more than once in the same game they can be the same and have grown in power or be another Whispy, but in other games they're not the same Whispy.
- Any main characters we know grow in power like that isn't something that would apply to weaker characters like Whispy.
- The reason why Kirby grows in power like he does is because of the team work w/ allies and the friendship they have makes that happen. That's something I would believe everyone can do in Kirby and yet nobody minus a counted number of characters does. As you can see in the scaling chain some Twin Woods tried this out and went from "They could maybe scale to Kirby but that doesn't look good" to"They legit scale to Kirby", which is logically a special case.
- People in Dreamland are lazy.
He doesn't need to be as strong, but back scaling exists, and I feel as if a single statement from only the first game is enough. And hell, the game sometimes warns you to be careful.
Well, even 5-A seems a bit weird for him for most games, but that's as far we can put him w/o any shenanigan going on for him.
And hell, the game sometimes warns you to be careful.
Where do they? W/o any amp for him it sounds like something you could say about minor enemies too, that's as much of a feat as him being able to harm you in gameplay. In the most important games everything's a threat at first until suspension of disbiief is gained and what ends up happening in the games comes off as more impressive, some minor enemy in the first level of Star Allies scared Kirby when trying to attack him on a cinematic, that alone is miles better than anything Whispy has and that the minor enemy doesn't scale anyway.
But they do? Unless you mean visual scratches (which no character has for their models), characters like Whispy, Dedede, Meta Knight, Pon/Con, and just in general everyone are displayed to be knocked out.
The exterior parts of their bodies isn't some shield w/ higher durability and total absorption of kinetic energy for the parts inside, otherwise electric attacks that passes through Kirby characters and any characters would destroy their organs from 1 tier below. Kirby's biggest injury was a couple of tiny cuts in official art, the other end of damage is to blow up.
Also to note, Kirby has been able a few times to beat the possessed victim of Dark Matter, kick them out of their bodies, and make the Dark Matter blow up as a result of that. Against Dark Nebula the latter kinda got dizzy for a while after Kirby kicked him out of his victim. The Jamba Hearts' possession should work the same, as Dark Matter and everyone are descendants of Void Termina and the latter uses their attacks and powers, primarily Dark Matter's.
Doesn't Kirby most of the time just win anyways? Which would just mean they're already weaker than him to begin with.
Yeah but it's a 4v1, with friendship making the 4 grow stronger and it being implied that they needed that team work to win through the story.
But... your example was just that. The heart piece amplifies you, and thus makes you stronger. But I wouldn't exactly say the amount of it doing so is comparable to you yourself, because we don't know to the extent. It'd have to be reasonable, sure, but at the moment the best case you have is Wispy, whom should already be scaling to Kirby by then.
Idk why that reaffirmation of your take is there I imagined it was a innocent question or stretchy proposal.
Should your take be true we would walk away from this thread downgrading the first key of the Jamba Heart, upgrading Wispy and all other bosses and mid-bosses above him at a Kirby level, and keeping them at a Kirby level as Kirby gets even stronger. That's nonsense.
far from them being 3-C
