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2-C Dragon Ball Super upgrade

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As much as I'd like to discuss the math of this, I think DDM summed it up pretty well, the mechanics are clear enough about what he said.

What matters now that if 2 angels did the stopping feat or only one did.
Hasty says 2, DDM says 1.

I am leaning towards DDM's claim, so Angels still maintan their 2C, but a tangible proof of this for confirmation would be nice.
I'll check it once on YT.
 
If you guys don't think jiren full power and sign 3 goku have valid enough reasons for reaching 2-C because it's unknown superiority that's fine. But at least acknowledge that UI goku, hidden power jiren and blue gogeta all have good justifications. They stomped characters that are above half low 2-C, in db stomping can happen if you're 2x stronger than your opponent, this is on the dragon ball wiki for proof. There is no denying that those three are above 2x the GoDs.
 
manu_zarri said:
There is many way to calculate this, Tier 2 isn't incalculable, nothing can't be calculabe, Tier 2 calcs are just "uncontable infinite" or similiar thing.
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I'm not telling tier 2 are uncalculable, the problem is in baseline 2-C we not only have 2 space-time but also the distant between them, the main problem is the distant which is unknown in number that why the safest solution is ban using multiplier to jump from Low 2-C to 2-C
 
Vietthai96 said:
I'm not telling tier 2 are uncalculable, the problem is in baseline 2-C we not only have 2 space-time but also the distant between them, the main problem is the distant which is unknown in number that why the safest solution is ban using multiplier to jump from Low 2-C to 2-C
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but it isn't correct tho

If 2 Timelines are 2 uncontable infinite structure, then being above gods which are lowest than baseline 2-C, it would logically be 2-C or at least "Likely 2-C"
 
manu_zarri said:
but it isn't correct tho

If 2 Timelines are 2 uncontable infinite structure, then being above gods which are lowest than baseline 2-C, it would logically be 2-C or at least "Likely 2-C"
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GoDs are not even baseline 2-C, they just very far into Low 2-C
 
Beerus and Champa feat is Low 2-C. Whis is simply 2-C because is heavily implied that he do alone the same feat which required 2 GoDs to be performed. Plus, the gap in power between Beerus and Whis is even supported from how we treat 2-C from Low 2-C in power difference.
 
StrymULTRA said:
Beerus and Champa feat is Low 2-C. Whis is simply 2-C because is heavily implied that he do alone the same feat which required 2 GoDs to be performed. Plus, the gap in power between Beerus and Whis is even supported from how we treat 2-C from Low 2-C in power difference.
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Beerus and Champa feat itself is 2-C, we saw it on the CRT of that feat, But since it's done by 2, it's below baseline 2-C, meaning it's Half 2-C aka Low 2-C
 
manu_zarri said:
Beerus and Champa feat itself is 2-C, we saw it on the CRT of that feat, But since it's done by 2, it's below baseline 2-C, meaning it's Half 2-C aka Low 2-C
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And "Half 2-C" has the same gap from baseline 2-C like baseline 2-C has with 2-C of 3 universes
 
StrymULTRA said:
And "Half 2-C" has the same gap from baseline 2-C like baseline 2-C has with 2-C of 3 universes
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what?
Tbh i don't understanded what you are trying to say but Half 2-C is currently the strongest Low 2-C level, that's why Gogeta is currently rated first in strongest AP thread
 
manu_zarri said:
what?
Tbh i don't understanded what you are trying to say but Half 2-C is currently the strongest Low 2-C level, that's why Gogeta is currently rated first in strongest AP thread
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I mean:

Like 3 universes is unquantifiably superior to 2 universes, 2 universes is the same towards 1.5 universes or whatever Half 2-C is
 
So ehm 4 things:

1) Wouldn’t (full power) Jiren being unable to be defeated by a GoD imply they can’t even hurt him in the first place?

2) Wouldn’t the gap from MUI to sign 3 be comparable to the gap from sign 3 to sign 2 or from sign 2 to sign 1? Which is at least 20 times iirc and probably much more than that?

3) if SS Gogeta didn’t get stomped by the Broly who scales to Beerus and SSB is at least 50 times that then he’s definitely 2-C.

4) Considering Goku can’t just nullify any attack by using Kaioken on someone he was previously comparable to it would make sense for MUI Goku to be at least 2 times superior (probably much more) to FP Jiren.
 
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Like 3 universes is unquantifiably superior to 2 universes, 2 universes is the same towards 1.5 universes or whatever Half 2-C is
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Interesting take, you could be right due to inverse square law but this is currently not how it’s treated on-site, 4 universes is treated as 2 times superior to 2 universes for instance.
 
StrymULTRA said:
I mean:

Like 3 universes is unquantifiably superior to 2 universes, 2 universes is the same towards 1.5 universes or whatever Half 2-C is
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3 Universe is just an additional uncontable infinite, but not higher, it's the same size, aka 3 uncontable infinite with the same size
 
Greenshifter said:
Interesting take, you could be right due to inverse square law but this is currently not how it’s treated on-site, 4 universes is treated as 2 times superior to 2 universes for instance.
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It's not, I made a whole thread on 2-C to 2-A gap and even 3 to 2 universes is unknown
 
StrymULTRA said:
It's not, I made a whole thread on 2-C to 2-A gap and even 3 to 2 universes is unknown
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Oh that was you, did it get accepted? If so we should probably remove every win/loss for every match won via AP in 2-C and 2-B lol. We should definitely calc out what the gap is though since that doesn’t seem impossible if you already crossed the distance, I think, unless the distance is infinite.
 
Literally everytime a CRT about DB ap tier open and discuss, the thread just stable for a while before all kind of argument come in and derail the whole thread
 
Greenshifter said:
Like I said you are physically right probably, but if it ain’t treated that way on-site practically anywhere then seems kinda pointless to bring it up.
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Is the reason why this CRT is wrong and is based on a misunderstanding of the tiering system.

In that thread it was agreed that 2 universes x 1000 isn't 2-B for that reason
 
StrymULTRA said:
Is the reason why this CRT is wrong and is based on a misunderstanding of the tiering system.

In that thread it was agreed that 2 universes x 1000 isn't 2-B for that reason
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I am quite certain that Beerus and Champa are treated as literally 2-C/2, going by what DDM said. So like I’d prefer for this thread to just go by what’s established and then some separate thread to change things on a wiki-wide scale since this really doesn’t seem the thread for it.
 
Greenshifter said:
I am quite certain that Beerus and Champa are treated as literally 2-C/2, going by what DDM said. So like I’d prefer for this thread to just go by what’s established and then some separate thread to change things on a wiki-wide scale since this really doesn’t seem the thread for it.
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This thread is based on "Beerus multiplied x 2 = 2-C" right? That's the thing.

manu_zarri said:
then what you meant with 2 x 1000?
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ye
 
StrymULTRA said:
This thread is based on "Beerus multiplied x 2 = 2-C" right? That's the thing
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Yes but that’s the accepted part, the unaccepted part is anyone being 2 times superior to Beerus besides the angels. So if you want to address the accepted part then better to make another thread since it’s a wiki-thing and not a DB-thing.
 
i ain't reading all that

i always thought that half 2-C thing was dumb anyway , what if they were gonna destroy 3 universes then ? do we say each one of them is 75% 2-C ??? do you guys see the issue ?

honestly all the "Half 2-C" peeps should just be rated as 2-C and be done with it
 
CR_Catinho said:
i ain't reading all that

i always thought that half 2-C thing was dumb anyway , what if they were gonna destroy 3 universes then ? do we say each one of them is 75% 2-C ??? do you guys see the issue ?

honestly all the "Half 2-C" peeps should just be rated as 2-C and be done with it
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If it was 3 universes destroyed by 2 people then the individual person will have rating unquantifiably above 2 universes.
Each individual will end up between 2 and 3.

2C(3 space-times) divided by 2= 2.something spac-times.

And if someone is 2 times as powerful as this individual then they are back at 3 space-times.
 
If you can't reach tiers like 2-C through multipliers, then 2-C feats probably shouldn't be divided either. It creates inconsistencies.
 
Lets take this further...
Lets say Beerus and Champa destroy 1000 universes in their clash, do you know where they will end up individually??

Lemme tell ya its 999.something or unquantifiably above 999
Yes 1000/2 = 999.something in tier 2

Thats the beauty or ugliness of Tier 2.
They don't act like integers on a Real Number line.
 
CR_Catinho said:
do we say each one of them is 75% 2-C
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yes. Seriously though yeah, don't really have a problem with that.

@GilverTheProtoAngelo You're both right and wrong, on-site how it's currently treated they'd be 500 universes, how it should be treated going by Strym's thread they'd be 999 universes (probably, also same if you use inverse square law I think), but Nia says hyperoperations still work in tier 2 (even for amount of universes being linear to amount of energy needed to destroy them pretty sure) so eh might as well throw a dice at this point to determine how 2-C and 2-B should be treated.
 
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GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
If it was 3 universes destroyed by 2 people then the individual person will have rating unquantifiably above 2 universes.
Each individual will end up between 2 and 3.

2C(3 space-times) divided by 2= 2.something spac-times.

And if someone is 2 times as powerful as this individual then they are back at 3 space-times.
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3 space-times / 2 = 2.something ???
 
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