Ulquiorra's Resurrección Key [Bleach]

[Reio35]

Why does no one use the spafwu novel. Where it stated Cien at 30% base form is above yammy who is country level. Cien at 100% base form is 3× above yammy and res cein is 5× stronger. Making large country to continental. That cein is compared to VL ichigo and ulq scales to VL ichigo. So continental for ulq

 

[LordTracer]

The whole movie being Canon or just the Ichigo vs Ulquiorra Sequence?

Just the Vasto Lorde v. Ulquiorra sequence, since he said that part specifically was the best portrayal of that fight.

I requested for the interview to be translated here, so let’s wait until that’s done.

 

[YukaSama4]

Iirc I once found a statement from him saying that their fight at the beginning was nice or something like that, not "this is how I wanted the fight to be" or whatever, but there may be another statement

Edit : this "Which movie adaptation is Kubo sensei’s favourite?
Kubo: What left the biggest impression on me is the opening sequence of “Hell Verse” where I had the battle between Ichigo and Ulquiorra remade, I remember how relieved I was by the superb execution. This pleased me greatly. I re-watched that scene alone many times over."
afaik Missstormcaller translated it that way

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

The same GT that are relative to his physical strikes, the same Rasengans that are relative to his physical strikes. Ichigo and Naruto didn’t get a solid rating for those tiers just because they can spam said attacks, they have them because all of their attacks are around that level. Ulq’s aren’t. CO and Lanzas being spammable is still reflected in his AP with what the OP proposes, it just also reflects what he is physically at as well since that is one of the ways he fights. I don’t get what’s the issue?

No one said equal? I said relative, because they are. And of course Grimmjow uses the ranged attack that isn’t part of his body to lessen the damage he would take to his body, that’s just common sense.

Getsuga Tenshou hits way harder than Ichigo, he can’t harm Grimmjow until he fires a GT. Naruto’s use of Rasenshuriken and Rasengan to deal more damage than his fists.

Grimmjow used the cero to mitigate Ulq’s cero at point blank range so there goes the “ranged attack” argument.

 

[SilentBob34]

Ichigo’s getsuga’s against Grimmjow can be a little inconsistent IMO. His bankai getsuga can harm base Grimmjow while his regular strikes couldn’t, but his hollowfied getsuga did nothing to ress Grimmjow while his regular strikes could harm him

 

[SilentBob34]

Also, how do we rate the espada’s durability in relation with their ap?

 

[Damage3245]

Arc, the purpose of the proposal in the OP is to make the ratings clearer. If we had a good value to scale Ichigo's physical strikes to and it was significantly different to his Getsuga Tensho, we could include that too.

But that's an issue for another time. Right now I just think my proposal is the most accurate for displaying Ulquiorra's stats.

 

[KingTempest]

This looks like a fine addition

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The OP looks solid to me as usual.

 

[Damage3245]

Thank you. I'll update Ulquiorra's profile and write up my proposals for the other Espada and characters directly affected by this.

 

[Cyberblader90]

Can you like wait for arc to respond?
Both myself and him have had our time consumed by finals this week

 

[AppleLord]

We don’t wait for jokes.

Sounds fair.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Can someone sum up how this affects other profiles rq

 

[Damage3245]

Harribel's Resurrección would become this:

Attack Potency: Small Country level (Her normal Cero is an order of magnitude lower than her Cero Oscuras), Country level with Cero Oscuras (As a higher-ranking Espada than Ulquiorra, her Cero Oscuras should be at least be this strong)

Barragan's Resurrección would become this:

Attack Potency: Small Country level (His normal Cero is an order of magnitude lower than his Cero Oscuras), Country level with Cero Oscuras (As a higher-ranking Espada than Ulquiorra, his Cero Oscuras should be at least be this strong), Respira ignores conventional durability

But Starrk is a bit trickier to place.

Starrk is scaling to Shunsui, who is scaling to Yamamoto, who is scaling to Aizen, who is scaling to being superior to the Espada.

IMO scaling Shunsui to Yamamoto is a mistake. Aizen was worried solely about Yamamoto in direct combat, and he dispatched Shunsui as easily as he dispatched everyone else he fought. Both Shunsui and Starrk should be "At least Small Country level" normally.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Gotcha gotcha if you’d like for the sake of ease (and since this involves Ulq), once I get my calc evaluated I can drop it here and that discussion can happen here. Or this CRT can end and I can make a new CRT considering it would affect a bit of the FKT scaling.

 

[Purgy]

Harribel's Resurrección would become this:

Attack Potency: Small Country level (Her normal Cero is an order of magnitude lower than her Cero Oscuras), Country level with Cero Oscuras (As a higher-ranking Espada than Ulquiorra, her Cero Oscuras should at least be this strong)

Barragan's Resurrección would become this:

Attack Potency: Small Country level (His normal Cero is an order of magnitude lower than his Cero Oscuras), Country level with Cero Oscuras (As a higher-ranking Espada than Ulquiorra, his Cero Oscuras should at least be this strong), Respira ignores conventional durability

But Starrk is a bit trickier to place.

Starrk is scaling to Shunsui, who is scaling to Yamamoto, who is scaling to Aizen, who is scaling to being superior to the Espada.

IMO scaling Shunsui to Yamamoto is a mistake. Aizen was worried solely about Yamamoto in direct combat, and he dispatched Shunsui as easily as he dispatched everyone else he fought. Both Shunsui and Starrk should be "At least Small Country level" normally.

All the Espada should have Cero Oscuras listed on their profile similarly to the ones you listed, though they obviously shouldn't scale to Ulquiorra's feat with it, I think it would just be 10x their AP if we're truly going with the idea that a regular Cero is comparable to their AP.

 

[SilentBob34]

All the Espada should have Cero Oscuras listed on their profile similarly to the ones you listed, though they obviously shouldn't scale to Ulquiorra's feat with it, I think it would just be 10x their AP if we're truly going with the idea that a regular Cero is comparable to their AP.

I can get with that too, but it might be a little wonky. Like for instance how would we treat Grimmjow’s desagaron? He states it’s his ultimate attack so it’d be stronger than his cero oscuras, but hollowfied Ichigonwas able to deflect and break it even though they were around the same in terms of stats

 

[Purgy]

I can get with that too, but it might be a little wonky. Like for instance how would we treat Grimmjow’s desagaron? He states it’s his ultimate attack so it’d be stronger than his cero oscuras, but hollowfied Ichigonwas able to deflect and break it even though they were around the same in terms of stats

Ichigo's strength increases and changes sporadically in fights, I mean, even in his fight with Grimmjow, he has a moment where he easily catches Grimmjow's hand and slices him vertically whereas they were equal and Grimmjow even had the upper hand previously

Regardless, these are factual;

• GRC > Cero Oscuras
• Desgarron > GRC, Grimmjow states it's his ultimate technique.

Ichigo being able to deflect and cut through Desgarron can just be attributed to his Reactive Power Level, it's not as if we haven't seen him get much stronger throughout the course of a fight before.

It would just be something like this on Grimmjow's profile

Attack Potency: Island level (Stomped Bankai Ichigo in their first encounter, overcame his Getsuga Tenshō with a Cero. It should be noted that at this point, Ichigo's reiatsu was fluctuating wildly between "unimpressive" by Espada standards at its lowest, and comparable to or slightly greater than base Ulquiorra's at its peak, and Ichigo was trying his best to suppress his inner Hollow), Large Island level with Gran Rey Cero | Large Island level (Equal to Post-Visored Training Bankai Hollow Mask Ichigo), Small Country level with Cero Oscuras (Cero Oscuras is an order of magnitude stronger than his normal Cero), higher with Gran Rey Cero (Gran Rey Cero is referred to as the ultimate Cero multiple times, and as such should be superior to his Cero Oscuras), higher with Desgarron (Grimmjow states Desgarron is his ultimate technique and should therefore be superior to his Gran Rey Cero)

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Ichigo cutting through Desgarron isn't actually an issue when you think about it. When he goes to block all five claws with the flat of his sword, it slams him but when he only goes to cut through a single one of the claws, he succeeds. At best ichigo would actually scale to 20% of Desgarron.

 

[Damage3245]

Are there any objections to updating Harribel and Barragan?

 

[SilentBob34]

None from me, I think the espada’s are pretty much done for the scaling. Now it Grimmjow fight Ichigo and post resurrection Ichigo that we need to decide on the scaling

 

[SilentBob34]

Is there any reason segunda Ulquiorra doesn’t scale fully to his feat from a far weaker form?

I think we have more to discuss than I thought

 

[SilentBob34]

His reasonings should also be fixed until the Lanza calc. “At least Small Country level, his Lanza dwarfed Las Noches, Country level with cero oscuras” doesn’t make sense when his Lanza is visibly superior to his cero oscuras

actually, the only thing that needs to be changed for now it throwing his Lanza reasoning after his cero calc and adding a higher or far higher too it

 

[Damage3245]

I've updated Harribel and Baraggan, and the profiles directly scaling to them.

I still want to investigate the ratings for Shunsui, Starrk and Ukitake and don't think they should be scaling directly to Yamamoto judging by the big deal that Aizen made about Yamamoto and the fact that their fight with him was mostly off-screen and from what I can remember, they were not portrayed as being on Yamamoto's level.

 

[LordTracer]

They definitely weren’t on Yamamoto’s level, they were both terrified of having to go against him.

 

[Purgy]

They fought him and weren't fodderized, even if you consider them weaker (which they are), it's not to the extent that they're a tier below, Yama is high into 6-B and should even be 6-B+ iirc.

Also, "terrified" is just being blatantly disingenuous, they wanted to avoid fighting him, they weren't terrified at all.

 

[YukaSama4]

tbh I dont think they should scale to Yama, unless we want to say that Aizen >> Shikai Yama which doesnt make any sense, Shunsui is far weaker than Aizen, far weaker than Tokinada the one who wasnt able to use RJ as Yama. And Aizen definitely isnt above Shikai Yama.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

There's a thing called being relative, the fact of the matter is they were both able to fight against him without being obliterated. Maybe scale them to half of Yama's value or give them the "at most" rating.

 

[Damage3245]

Yama is actually not that high into 6-B currently.

And by the end of their off-screen fight, neither of them seem to have even landed a hit on Yamamoto.

I think it would be better to scale Starrk to being superior to Ulquiorra, and scale Shunsui/Ukitake to him.

Scaling Shunsui to be relative to Yama who is superior to Aizen who is superior to Starrk, who fought Shunsui seriously does not seem great to me.

 

[YukaSama4]

There's a thing called being relative, the fact of the matter is they were both able to fight against him without being obliterated. Maybe scale them to half of Yama's value or give them the "at most" rating.

Im fine with that, but I think scaling them above Starrk is better

 

[YukaSama4]

How do we want to scale Starrk to Yama, then say that Starrk is relative to Yama where is the fact that Aizen was above all of the espada combined and Aizen is below Yama, tbh its weird af

 

[Damage3245]

How do we want to scale Starrk to Yama, then say that Starrk is relative to Yama where is the fact that Aizen was above all of the espada combined and Aizen is below Yama, tbh its weird af

Aizen does not say he is above all of the Espadas combined, he just says that the powers of the Espada are inferior to his own.

 

[Purgy]

Is Yammy's profile not affected by this CRT or has it just not been updated yet?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

How do we want to scale Starrk to Yama, then say that Starrk is relative to Yama where is the fact that Aizen was above all of the espada combined and Aizen is below Yama, tbh its weird af

The combined part is from the anime.

 

[Damage3245]

Is Yammy's profile not affected by this CRT or has it just not been updated yet?

I haven't gotten to Yammy yet. I wanted to handle it in order of Espada 3 and 2, then 1, then 0.

 

[LordTracer]

It’s stated that they don’t stand a chance, Yamamoto could knock them both back at the same time, Jūshirō stated that he felt immense fear and described Shikai Yamamoto as “transcendent,” and when we see them after their clash, Yamamoto is uninjured while Jūshirō and Shunsui are bleeding.

So yeah, just scale them to Starrk and not Yamamoto.

 

[YukaSama4]

The combined part is from the anime.

oh sorry about that then, a question, Do you think base Aizen is above shikai yama? because honestly that what we are going for if we scaled Starrk to Yama, unless you will make a new key for Yama, idk.

 

[Purgy]

I haven't gotten to Yammy yet. I wanted to handle it in order of Espada 3 and 2, then 1, then 0.

Well, Yama scales above Aizen who scales above Yammy, so whether or not Yama is 6-B+ depends on Yammy's rating.

If Yama is 6-B+, then I think Shunsui and Jushiro should be 6-B via downscaling, they're not so far beneath Yamamoto that he can fodderize them.

But if Yama is just 6-B, then maybe they should be Low 6-B

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

It’s stated that they don’t stand a chance, Yamamoto could knock them both back at the same time, Jūshirō stated that he felt immense fear and described Shikai Yamamoto as “transcendent,” and when we see them after their clash, Yamamoto is uninjured while Jūshirō and Shunsui are bleeding.

So yeah, just scale them to Starrk and not Yamamoto.

Nanao ******** her pants doesn't hold much weight for Shunsui's and Ukitake's actual capabilities, regarding Yama knocking them both back just scale them to at most half (we have the at most rating for a reason), stating something is powerful doesn't mean you can't scale or Yhwach wouldn't scale to TS Ichigo because he calls the power magnificent.

 

[Purgy]

It’s stated that they don’t stand a chance, Yamamoto could knock them both back at the same time, Jūshirō stated that he felt immense fear and described Shikai Yamamoto as “transcendent,” and when we see them after their clash, Yamamoto is uninjured while Jūshirō and Shunsui are bleeding.

So yeah, just scale them to Starrk and not Yamamoto.

Stated by Nanao whos brain almost melted from being terrified by Yama's Reiatsu, not at all an argument, she sees no hope in winning and in your words, is terrified.

Again, they are weaker than him, just not to the extent that they're a tier below him, it depends on what Yama's rating ends up being.