The_Smashor said:
Maybe not Schizophrenia, but Sunny has many of the symptoms of real world
Dissociative Identity Disorder. Omori himself is clearly a spit personality (while people with DID can have as many as 4,500 identities and over ten is common, about half of patients have less than ten, and having just two is very much possible). The other main symptom is being unable to recall personal information beyond the level of simple forgetfulness (Such as Sunny simply not recognizing the truth of his actions). Various Anxiety Disorders are also very common in people with DID, which could explain the excessive fear.
So basically you're writing that his entire house looking haunted is merely anxiety, even though Something is supposed to be a creature caused by hallucinations? What happened to Something being hallucinations then? Y'know, Sunny hardly even remembered his trauma, so I don't see how he can have schizophrenic levels of hallucinations only because of anxiety. If anything, he should have vague memories of seeing Mari's corpse hanging and looking back at him, only seeing them for a second at night before realizing it was just a shadow.
The_Smashor said:
Another assumption that requires jumping through far less hoops is that Something is a hallucination and as such cannot be damaged, and cannot be overcome without calming down.
Something being intangible or a stronger entity scaling to Headspace characters and an entity that uses mind manipulation is literally what I thought of the first time I watched the game when I found out that Something is a reoccurring entity. A character not being damaged doesn't mean it isn't real. I could write that
Napstablook from Undertale isn't real, since they can't be damaged and is probably just a representation of Frisk being homesick of life above the Underground. Nabstablook is clearly a ghost only based on a
music sharing website rather than merely being a representation of it. Just because an entity is based on something, doesn't mean it isn't real, even if it can't be interacted with. Sure, Undertale clearly is a story that can't happen in real life, so it's easier to determine that Nabstablook is a ghost, but a story being realistic doesn't rule out the options for unrealistic occurrences to happen, such as being visited by spirits.
The_Smashor said:
Are you implying that Omori and Something are somehow connected even though you just said Something tried to stop Omori at one point? And maybe Sunny can't mentally persevere while fighting against Basil because his best friend is trying to kill himself right in front of him and that's not something you can mentally persevere through as it's happening!?
Omori and Something don't team up, all I wrote was that Sunny couldn't resist Something so he succumbed to Omori, his alter-ego existing to prevent him from discovering his past while Something is abstract of what Omori counters. Basil never said he was going to suicide, he said he was going to free both of them of Something haunting them, followed by the two fighting each other. We know what Basil would've done if Sunny hadn't tried to help but Sunny didn't know that. Whether Something is real or a hallucination in this example doesn't better either of our arguments so I should switch the example. Sunny's fight against Stranger during the hikikomori route doesn't allow him to mentally persevere either, even though he was in a dream. I only put subjective reality on the profiles because Something can exist in dreams and reality, but Stranger saying that it will trap Sunny down there forever is certainly the only scenario that can make Sunny not be able to mentally persevere if it's not mind manipulation, especially forcing Omori to swap out for Sunny. I don't know how this can be interpreted as not supernatural, it needs to be either mind manipulation, subjective reality or a mix of both.
The_Smashor said:
It's technically not impossible, considering their form of trauma is exactly the same.
Technically it's not impossible for us to imagine the
exact same images when yesterday I told you to think of a rubber ball, today I can ask you to imagine a tree, (I imagined a generic drawn tree that is colored in with green and brown,) tomorrow I could ask you to imagine a slide on a playground, the next day I could ask you to imagine a cat, and so on, but that is
highly unlikely for us the imagine the
exact same images with generalized ideas in mind. Sunny and Basil seeing the
exact same things doing the exact same actions in the exact same places while treating them as real, are scenarios better assumed as real rather than an insane coincidence.
The_Smashor said:
With his friends, Sunny is noticeably calmer and more happy because he's with people he dearly trusts and cares about, and know would protect him. Not to mention, he mostly hallucinates at night in general, regardless of if his friends are there.
I don't think Sunny wouldn't be afraid of speaking to friends he hasn't interacted with ever since he was a kid. People change. I would be very uneasy interacting with childhood friends I have left behind.
At night, Kel walked with Sunny home. Sunny went from happily separating to high on drugs level hallucinating in the matter of a few seconds. That's not realistic.
When Kel and Hero slept over, Something was completely absent,
except for a scary Mari appearing in the mirror due to whatever is haunting Sunny and Basil not being visible to characters it doesn't haunt.
The_Smashor said:
It's not my fault you're wrong.
That was solely to be spiteful to me since this wasn't it's own argument, just a finisher statement of a paragraph. Does this mean you have no comment about how Sunny and Basil were not bewildered about Something at all and were only scared of what it was capable of? If not then I think this point should be removed since we're really going to figure out the answer by focusing on the other ones.
The_Smashor said:
Sunny has seen people from headspace in the real world (Such as just before the true ending). As for why Hero showed up, Mari instantly disappearing the moment someone else appeared seems to be evidence towards it just being a hallucination. Given Hero probably didn't expect Sunny to be in the piano room, it's entirely possible that he just heard footsteps in a place he didn't expect to hear them. And even normal Headspace Mari tells Omori to face his fears several times.
The version of Mari there was not purple, it looked much like a spirit of the real one. The dream versions of Sunny's friends before the best ending was probably just signifying the bad ending at the hospital by Sunny's imagination (since those
are imaginary entities), similar occurrences happen a lot but not everything is like that. Mari disappearing is probably because she only wanted to be seen by Sunny to talk about the recital they never got to perform at. Sunny upstairs heard music from downstairs, came down to see Mari and have the conversation, then someone else came because he also heard music so it was time for Mari to leave. Mari was talking as a different entity, telling Sunny she might of been too hard on him because she wanted the recital to be perfect, so this isn't merely Sunny's imagination. If Hero heard footsteps then I think he should've expected to see someone out of bed, he said he heard music specifically so it must of been Mari he heard. And for it being implied that Mari is the one telling Sunny that Something is not as scary as he thinks it is, I didn't have in mind that the spirit version of Mari was the one in the example I showed, I meant that the dream Mari is Sunny's imagination based on past memories so this must've been something Mari has said before or the "???" must've been Mari's voice for Sunny's brain to associate the quote with Mari.
The_Smashor said:
That's because she isn't.
This is a video game, you don't need to believe in spirits for Something and Mari to still be entities instead of hallucinations and imagination. The paragraph above is all we need in order to settle this. If the paragraph above is correct, then Something is confirmed to be real (for the reasons previously stated).
The_Smashor said:
Omori pretty much only exists in Headspace. As such Something, another being from Headspace, could do such a thing. Given Something is Sunny's own trauma, it makes sense it would have such a powerful impact in his mind. But that's all it is.
(Clarification: to me I considered White Space a place where entities that are only imagination are not able to go to due to it being related to Sunny's consciousness or something like that, but what you wrote makes sense since Omori is pretty much a version of Sunny created from D.I.D. so if Something is because of trauma then it could probably also enter White Space.) But still,
locking Sunny in a state of dreaming isn't something a regular dream character should do. The door connecting White Space and Neighbor's Room is like the connection link between consciousness and dreams. I can't imagine the possibility of Rosa pranking Omori by locking herself in White Space, since she only exists as a character in Sunny's dreams. Remember that this isn't even the only reason I consider Something having mind manipulation.
The_Smashor said:
Even if Something was real, which it isn't, the profiles still contain total headcanon, such as Stranger being an astral projection of Basil, and greatly misinterprets many abilities like Something "making Basil's room disappear" when you can clearly still see large parts of it.
Stranger is a projection of Basil that Something made, not Basil himself. For the rest you wrote, when making a page and having others check it, I like to include as much as I can think of that could be accepted so I can avoid forgetting information that others might not think about. To me, Something's ability to make rooms disappear is more of mind manipulating Sunny into perceiving them as nothing and unneeded, but I made it spatial manipulation just in case I was wrong. (I don't know what you mean by being able to see large parts of the room when Sunny wasn't even in the room when the disappearance occurred but I don't think it's spatial manipulation anyway.) What else is there that needs adjustment?
