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What is even going on here? This better not be another "Anti-Middle ground" U-Turn.
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Infinite Zamasu potential upgrade
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Basically a downgrade for Infinite Zamasu and everyone who scales to him for the reasoning that he didn't completely merge with U7
Edit: Personally I'm fine with Low 2-C IZ but we'll see how this thread goes
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Infinite Zamasu is becoming 3-A because of the lack of proof of him being fully merged with Universe 7 and him apprearing to the Present is just Range and and the only Low 2-Cs are only from Beerus and Champa feat.
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I disagree with that, we have had too many discussions. He's Low 2-C, even above baseline at that since he can merge with parts of other timelines. Like what Mitch said.
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I tried unless you can give more prove.
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I could see him being "3-A, possibly Low 2-C" as a compromise.
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1) You can argue him merging with Future and Present at the same time, but never have finished one of them since there's no proof of him having completely merged with Future Universe 7.
2) Him appearing in the other timelines as already stated from AKM and other mods is just range and not AP.
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isnt this an upgrade thread
this is pretty monumental for DB alot more people should give there thoughts before the change
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It was at first but that was rejected and now there are talks of downgrading IZ from Low 2-C. I personally think Low 2-C is fine but we'll see what the final conclusion is
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Meh, that possibly isn't really based on something solid since there's simple no proof of him being merged with all the space-time. He didn't even finish with the Future, nothing stated he already merged with all the space-time of it.
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Unlike 2-C or 2-B, Low 2-C can't really be divided by anything to get less than that, I'm aware appearing in other timelines is range, but it's weird for him to just appear when he's pretty much spreading omnidirectionally without first merging with the universe he is becoming first. Plus it would still be AP to some extent, just not enough for 2-C since he needs to fully merge with 2 or more universes first.
And since when did AKM agree with 3-A? Aside from some things he says offsite about saying "We should merge 3-A and Low 2-C again" which I am against for the undecillionth time. Anyway, he is clearly merging with all of Universe 7, and "Transcending Law and Order" is clearly something albeit vague.
And since when did AKM agree with 3-A? Aside from some things he says offsite about saying "We should merge 3-A and Low 2-C again" which I am against for the undecillionth time. Anyway, he is clearly merging with all of Universe 7, and "Transcending Law and Order" is clearly something albeit vague.
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That's definitely unquantifiable tbh, he only affected an unknown portion of space-time, not all of it.
They were questioning if the feat was even Tier 2 in the thread, then the downgrade to 3-A started.
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It's pretty arbitrary to start merging with other timelines while still being in the middle of merging one timeline, especially if it's already specified that he "Became one with the Universe".
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3-A when you're merging with the universe seems weird tbh, unless it's specifically something limited to the matter
I agree with Catinho: this thread stopped being serious the moment 3-A IZ was mentioned
This is all I'm gonna say
I agree with Catinho: this thread stopped being serious the moment 3-A IZ was mentioned
This is all I'm gonna say
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Yeah no you can't say he's being downgraded because there is no proof he fully merged with U7 despite there also being no proof he didn't.
Using statements from Gowasu and "Trascending Law and order" and Being physically appearing in the other Timeline indicate more towards him being Done with fusing.
This is also Ignoring the fact that he had to cross into another Space and Time to begin with.
Using statements from Gowasu and "Trascending Law and order" and Being physically appearing in the other Timeline indicate more towards him being Done with fusing.
This is also Ignoring the fact that he had to cross into another Space and Time to begin with.
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If a Content Revision stops being serious, that's pretty much a good time to close a thread.
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He never was stated to have already become the universe, Zamasu was trying to, we never saw a proof of him finishing to do so. You can still argue him merging with 2 universes at the same time without having finished the 1st one.
Same statement done in the same of when he said that Zamasu was still fusing, so no.
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Derailing stopped tho.
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Wouldn't that mean he had to cover more space?
To later stop and leak into the other Timeline.
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We see him still expanding in space and stopped only when Zeno erased him, so.
Proof of him having stopped from himself and not Zeno?
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Actually, I looked at AKM's most recent post on Discord, he actually thinks Low 2-C Zamasu is legit; whether or not he finished merging, he still has the power to destroy all of universe 7 including the law and order. It's just assuming the 2-C stuff based on an "Over time" is what he says should be removed.
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Imagine thinking Zamasu only merged with the matter of the universe....
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That's not remotely Tier 2 tbf
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People should stop derailing the thread with jokes and memes.
Anyway, I only said that an argument can be made about IZ not being Low 2-C. I also said that it's reasonable to go with Low 2-C too. The only thing I am completely against is eventual 2-C rating.
Anyway, I only said that an argument can be made about IZ not being Low 2-C. I also said that it's reasonable to go with Low 2-C too. The only thing I am completely against is eventual 2-C rating.
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I was referring to him leaking into the Present Timeline if he were doing both at the same time that would mean he had to cross into an entirely Different Space Time continuum.
When zamasu began to fuse with the Universe he was visibly shown Moving meanwhile he's completely unmoving here. You could argue otherwise but that would just be another assumption.
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So what we gonna do? This is getting circular, so we gonna do one of these:
- Unknown for IZ and "At least 3-A, possibly higher" for who scales above him like Base Jiren
- "3-A, possibly Low 2-C" because this isn't getting an end.
- Just 3-A because anything above that seems to be made of too much assumptions.
Already countered here^
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Again this was never shown. Also discounting the fact that to be able to leak into the Present Timeline he would have to cross into another Space Time continuum.
You're whole Argument is literally based on assumptions dude you can't just say anything above 3A is assumption when you're literally downgrading him based on an assumption aswell.
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I never said he didn't merge with the space-time, just not all of it but an unquantifiable part.
Proof of him being merged with all the space-time of the Universe 7 please.
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Now that I think, "At least 3-A, possibly far higher" kinda fits this situation, Zamasu definitely wasn't fully with the space-time, but him being merged with a part of the space-time is definitely beyond just 3-A, just that the extent above it is unknown.
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Low 2C fits.
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For being merged with only an unknown part of space-time and not all of it?
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Jokes aside...I vehemently disagree with downgrade...
IZ's case is textbook case of overfilling one space-time continuum and thus spilling over into adjoining space-time continuum. The fact that he is crossong space between space-times to pierce other universes is proof enough of this
IZ does not have the ability to just slice open a portal or just spread himself fast enough that he crosses temporal dimensions.
Think of this as air escaping from one container to other through a valve because of overpressurisation.
I say that IZ should be given unquantifiably above baseline Low2C....that is Atleast Low2C.
IZ's case is textbook case of overfilling one space-time continuum and thus spilling over into adjoining space-time continuum. The fact that he is crossong space between space-times to pierce other universes is proof enough of this
IZ does not have the ability to just slice open a portal or just spread himself fast enough that he crosses temporal dimensions.
Think of this as air escaping from one container to other through a valve because of overpressurisation.
I say that IZ should be given unquantifiably above baseline Low2C....that is Atleast Low2C.
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And may I remind that affecting even limited portion of space-time is High3A....because of uncountable snapshots of 3D space along 4th axis.
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Yeah, no. Present timeline is not part of the Future Timeline, it's a different timeline all together. More than 12 universes away from Future Timeline's Universe 7. If he's able to merge with Universe 7, it doesn't matter how long it takes if he's actually capable of merging with the space-time continuum, he is Low 2-C. Merging with an Uncountable infinite structure within a finite amount of time is still Uncountable infinite. The only for him to not be Low 2-C is if he can't merge with Universe 7 at all.
The only downgrade I'm okay with is the removal of 2-C as proposed as it's hypothetical and over time, but range is fine. He should still be Low 2-C outright for other reasons.
The only downgrade I'm okay with is the removal of 2-C as proposed as it's hypothetical and over time, but range is fine. He should still be Low 2-C outright for other reasons.
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Already adressed to be range.
All of this while he didn't even finish to merge with U7.
Also giving still Low 2-C is laughable, since he didn't fully merge with the space-time, what's so hard to understand here.
This is assuming that is not an unquantifiable part, and thus Unknown, we already got rid of "Finite 4D being High 3-A" long ago tho
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This was what I was saying but couldn't explain well
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Gowasu said the Universe which he is referring to Universe 7 which is a Low-2C structure. Occam Razor can be apply here.
Also, you were against Low-2C DBS in the first place and debating about wanting them to 3-A with your buddy ShadowWarrior. Then, somehow you conceaded on staff only thread. Now, you wanted to make a wank upgrade thread to deleberly downgrade them to 3-A which is what you want it in the first place. I saw right through you.
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Occam's Razor also says that he never fully finished, since he was trying to fuse with the Universe. Proof of him having finished so?
Salty and childish accusations.
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This comment gives me the opportunity to speak about Low 2-C DBS BTW
We've been on the same arguments for 3 years (and probably more). People never brought up new arguments for downgrading the cast to 3-A , yet still try.
It's fine if someone tries to downgrade them to 3-A for the 273829829292 time. Just don't expect that people will take your thread seriously, especially when DB fans don't have a good view of the wiki already + this being already been discussed ad nauseum and rejected
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