But I never denied that, what I said is that the gap isn't enough to warrant a super AP advantage, with Judgement showing this. Also Trevor in Judgement is post Dracula 3 which makes him stronger than the time he killed Dracula (We can see in Curse Of Darkness that he is WAY stronger and believed to be capable of defeating Dracula by himself) so there's that
This is a TES dragon who is an abstract entity of time.
We don't consider normal elder scrolls dragons to be abstracts or 4-D, them being fragments of time only gives them acausality. Alduin is the only one we consider to be abstract and 4-D and bend will doesn't work on him.
It doesn't work on Paarthurnax either and we both know that Alduin and Paarthurnax are Fodder to Miraak. I'm like 90% that's gameplay mechanics that prevent you from taking over Alduin and Paarthurnax.
That's headcanon. It has no feats of affecting 4-D's or abstracts so we can't just say it can when there's no evidence to prove it. And them being fodder doesn't mean Miraak can definitely use this hax against them when there's nothing to suggest it. The accepted way of determining bend will's potency is via the amount of people it affected on solthseim, which is in the hundreds.
I don't what "we" didn't accept it but it's the truth. All dragons are fragments of time that exist to extend and cohere the flow of time. I won't repeat myself any further from this fact.
We only accept alduin having higher dimensional existence, if you want proof look at paarthurnax and durnehviir's pages, they only have type 4 acausality, nothing else. And Alduin is constantly stated to be infinitely superior to every other dragon in skyrim so trying to scale or compare normal dragons to him is folly.
The castle does passively mindhax, I'm unsure about it being 4-d but then again im also unsure about bend will being 4-d. Anyways I'll add your vote
Well yes that's true but the castle passively mindhaxes regardless and we've treated it as 4D afaik in other discussions, not like its gonna matter anyway cause Vampire Killer likely just nulls regardless
If we've treated castlevania mind hax as 4-D in the past then I guess it's okay.
what evidence is there that the dragons of apocrypha are low 2-C? Because they can fight a late game dragon born and not instantly die? I mean any dragon can theoretically do that but not all dragons are low 2-C.
Because they were actively participating in the fight and Miraak even send one of his dragons to kill the Dovahkiin, implying that he think that his dragons were capable of fighting against end game Dovahkiin. Their souls were also powerful enough to restore Miraak's strength to keep fighting against the Dovahkiin. Those dragons are greater dovah based on their power.
I still don't think that's evidence of them being stronger. Also I'm fairly certain miraak sent his mora dragon to attack the dovahkiin so they'd have a way to reach the summit, remember at this point his plan was kill the dovahkiin and absorb his soul so he'd become strong enough to leave apocrypha, letting one of his random henchdragons do that kind of makes that pointless. And miraak healing from absorbing dragon souls seems like a hax thing more than anything else.
Good point. But that still doesn't answer how the dragons' souls (which contain the life force of the dragon and in turn powers Miraak's thu'um) were able to restore Miraak's strength.
That just mean that Miraak is capable of using the dragons' life force in different ways. Miraak's mastery over dragon soul is such that even his projection is capable of taking a slain dragon's soul from the Dovahkiin. So it's not really outside of the realm of possibility that he found another way to use it's power. Regardless, health, like magicka and stamina, is part of the three components that make up a soul (Vanus Galerion literally split his soul to these three parts to limit his power). The fact that it could literally restore Miraak's health from the brink of death prove that their souls, and thus their thu'um, are comparable to Miraak's and the Dovahkiin's.
Weird. Dragon soul whole deal is that it can't be affected and manipulated by normal people and magic. That's the whole reason why Dragonborn is called the ultimate dragon slayer.
If we take the feat from the "Daedra Dossiers: The Titans" book (which is where the whole greater dovah and Molag Bal thing came from), Bend Will would be a high 1-B mind hax for being able to mind hax greater dragons that Bal couldn't.
it isnt every dragon, it is just greater dovas
Even that I'm sketchy on, considering bend will in game doesn't work on greater dovah like paarthurnax and durnehviir. Now we could argue about whether that's gameplay shenanigans all day but considering durnehviir's own soul manip feat it seems likely to me atleast that there's a large amount of variance between the resistances of specific dragons.
Normal bandits can significantly heal a late game dovahkiin if they use vampiric drain on them, I don't think we can use something like absorption hax to determine somethings tier.
If that's the case, which I'm not sure about, then this isn't a valid match
