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Is Naruto a bijuu? No? Alright then.
Kaido is 6-B, Luffy is High 7-A, and Luffy put him down with Ryuo, go sit down
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War Arc Naruto vs. Luffy
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A few things;
1) War arc Naruto clones are very durable (As-in they can take some good hits and not disappear). So, I find it hard to believe Luffy one-shots them as suggested above.
2) Comparing Mr. 3's wax figures to shadow clones is a terrible comparison. Main reason being that unlike figures made of wax; clones are indistinguishable from the real thing in basically every way. To the point that even their physical and spiritual anatomy is indistinguishable from the real thing.
Conqueror's haki being useful here is a silly notion that I won't even get into.
All that being said; I don't think Sage Mode would last long enough to secure the kind of victory Naruto would need; even with a backup sage clone. He would basically have to get around precog by tricking Luffy over a period of time eventually creating an opening, which I'm sure he could do as a superior tactician with higher AP; however I think it would have to be over the course of a prolonged fight and after figuring out that Luffy can see the future.
In other words; Naruto's sage mode wouldn't allow him to be High 7-A long enough for his tactics to be as useful as they could be, allowing him to find a way around precog.
So Luffy wins for that sole reason.
1) War arc Naruto clones are very durable (As-in they can take some good hits and not disappear). So, I find it hard to believe Luffy one-shots them as suggested above.
2) Comparing Mr. 3's wax figures to shadow clones is a terrible comparison. Main reason being that unlike figures made of wax; clones are indistinguishable from the real thing in basically every way. To the point that even their physical and spiritual anatomy is indistinguishable from the real thing.
Conqueror's haki being useful here is a silly notion that I won't even get into.
All that being said; I don't think Sage Mode would last long enough to secure the kind of victory Naruto would need; even with a backup sage clone. He would basically have to get around precog by tricking Luffy over a period of time eventually creating an opening, which I'm sure he could do as a superior tactician with higher AP; however I think it would have to be over the course of a prolonged fight and after figuring out that Luffy can see the future.
In other words; Naruto's sage mode wouldn't allow him to be High 7-A long enough for his tactics to be as useful as they could be, allowing him to find a way around precog.
So Luffy wins for that sole reason.
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It wouldn’t.
Luffy’s precog works against people with intent sensing, telepathy, emotional sensing, future sight, and more, and they still get countered by Luffy’s precog.
Basic CoO is basically SM sensing with a few additions.
Speed doesn’t matter, it’s equalized speed.
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Its an example lol
Put him down with Ryou lol He barely scratched him with ryou the only reason Kaido is that far but luffy isn't is because they aren't revising the verse until wano finishes so you can't use feats against kaido right now since the verse is not revised yet
You know Danger sense predicting attacks before they hit him
Also narutos senses work inside barriers that block senses across countries clearly better also I could list more applications like energy sensing but you should get the gist of it
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No, I was referring to the speed of other characters with Danger Sense that Luffy countered. If he were faster than them or slower than them.
I am not interested in this debate anyway, so, you can ignore it now.
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oh yeah, I dont think Luffy would be able to see the real naruto. he was even able to fool neji who can literally see people's chakra networks.
not that it would make much of a difference in this fight though.
not that it would make much of a difference in this fight though.
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Luffy easily will be able to see the real naruto....https://youtu.be/AiwBd9cnFyE?t=174... or at least sense him
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Doubt this matters because luffy can sense invisible objects/people. Plus danger, aura, intent sensing + future sight. Which is >>> byakugan.
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And luffy can even see the real naruto with future sight...
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Since he can see the future and see the real naruto attack...
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And know that they aren’t the real naruto since they explode with smoke
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It wouldn't. Telling the difference between a shadow clone and the real thing is like; really difficult outside of the Naruto verse.
^Also this.
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When the real naruto strikes luffy will know
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Seeing far distances means a whole lot of nothing with relation to whether or not he could find the real Naruto.
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I think he meant by "distance" as time.
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Naruto clones are just as strong as him, have the same will, same chakra network and anatomy. With the only difference being that they have their own thoughts.
But Luffy's never used the reading thoughts aspect of Observation haki as a battle tactic before, as far as I know, so that's a moot point.
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Naruto only has 5 clones I think and the rest are shadow clones... luffy can sense the real naruto with future sight, emotion sensing, intent sensing, sense presence and a lot more... Luffy will easily know the real naruto...
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Dozens if you count the whole sentences and actions he sensed in prison
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He could find the Mr 3, didnt him?
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Luffy would also be able to sense limbo clones...
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This has nothing to do with the argument, this is useless, don't derail
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But they still don't understand how observation haki works...
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Well gg I voted Luffy 
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As I said previously, a wax figure is not at all comparable to a shadow clone.
It's really not even worth mentioning. If anything it's a worse version of the basic clone jutsu every shinobi can use.
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.Alright. Before Luffy looks bad, I'll intervene.
Luffy was able to sense Mr. 3's Wax Clones that were perfectly identical to him just via instinct.
Using Neji as a counter doesn't mean anything. Neji doesn't sense via instinct, he senses via people's chakra reserves.
Naruto's clones don't think "I'm the real one, I'll fight him him", they think "I'm a clone, I'll work as a diversion", and Luffy's telepathy will note that and ignore them.
Even without color, they were complex enough to fool intelligent animals.
Luffy can fly. Shadow Clones cannot fly. That is not an argument.
Luffy has true precognition, telepathy, enhanced senses, intent sensing, danger sensing, emotional sensing, and presence sensing.
Luffy's precognition can counter someone else's precognition
Luffy badly out senses. This is not an argument.
Impact Dial, Rokuogan, Fishmen Karate, Haoshoken, and more.
Naruto has taken Gentle Fist, and that's it. And Gentle Fist doesn't even work like good internal damage, it works via chain reactions and such.
Frog Kata works exactly like Fishmen Karate. Frog Kata sends chakra into the body, Fishmen Karate sends Water and Shockwaves into the body. No difference, and Luffy in base could take that.
Luffy could power down and use a Red Goken attack (double durability negation) on Naruto, and Naruto has nothing to do against that.
Luffy can fight for hours in Gear Fourth. Luffy out staminas.
Shadow Clones
Luffy will sense the real clone without hesitation.Luffy was able to sense Mr. 3's Wax Clones that were perfectly identical to him just via instinct.
Using Neji as a counter doesn't mean anything. Neji doesn't sense via instinct, he senses via people's chakra reserves.
Naruto's clones don't think "I'm the real one, I'll fight him him", they think "I'm a clone, I'll work as a diversion", and Luffy's telepathy will note that and ignore them.
Even without color, they were complex enough to fool intelligent animals.
Luffy can fly. Shadow Clones cannot fly. That is not an argument.
Sensing
Naruto has extra large range, enhanced senses, presence sensing, and has danger sensing.Luffy has true precognition, telepathy, enhanced senses, intent sensing, danger sensing, emotional sensing, and presence sensing.
Luffy's precognition can counter someone else's precognition
Luffy badly out senses. This is not an argument.
Durability Negation
Luffy has taken far more internal attacks than Naruto.Impact Dial, Rokuogan, Fishmen Karate, Haoshoken, and more.
Naruto has taken Gentle Fist, and that's it. And Gentle Fist doesn't even work like good internal damage, it works via chain reactions and such.
Frog Kata works exactly like Fishmen Karate. Frog Kata sends chakra into the body, Fishmen Karate sends Water and Shockwaves into the body. No difference, and Luffy in base could take that.
Luffy could power down and use a Red Goken attack (double durability negation) on Naruto, and Naruto has nothing to do against that.
Conqueror's Haki
Conqueror's Haki is useless. Stop arguing Conqueror's Haki, it doesn't do anything to someone of Naruto's willpower.Rasenshuriken
Luffy has Advanced Busoshoku which has attack redirection which could partially redirect attacks from a 6-B character. Until Naruto's Rasenshuriken is 6-B, that's wraps.Time Limit
Naruto can only use Sage Mode for like 5 minutes. With another clone, that's 10 minutes. Naruto stated that he needed to practice how to maintain it longer, but he hasn't shown how much longer he can/has extended it.Luffy can fight for hours in Gear Fourth. Luffy out staminas.
Attack Potency
Naruto has higher attack potency.Speed
Speed is Equalized.Verdict
Luffy outstaminas, better sensing, tanks durability negation, redirects stronger attacks, more maneuverable, and so on.
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They're both High 7-A, it can be added.
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Oh yeah I didn't know it was Grace.
Give it 24 Hours
Give it 24 Hours
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Wax Clones are made out of wax completely different
Actually they do think that lol Multiple times they aren't divirsions
Show Me feats of reading someones mind
Intent sensing naruto also has that
Luffys precog didn't counter it
Naruto can tank fire attacks and Internal damage is nowhere near a one shot
Luffy was taking the attacks so no it does nothing
Wrong Luffy has 10 minutes of Stamina he has never shown hours
Outstaminas is wrong, Better sensing only in precog, He doesn't tank rasenshuriken at all, More maneuverable is false he only has flight and other then that G4 is worse then his other forms
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