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Counter, Naruto can amp his speed with the body flicker, So naruto has the advantage in Speed.
doesn't change the outcome because of Precog but just wanted to mention it.
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War Arc Naruto vs. Luffy
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doesn't change the outcome because of Precog but just wanted to mention it.
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You're not wrong, but Luffy can also amp with Geppo x Soru, so it would balance it out.
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Luffy FRA.
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Scans? Naruto makes them for the sole purpose of diversions.
Go look at the passive Koby and Aisa who passively sensed people's emotions.
To the extent of Luffy? I'll need proof.
Scans of him taking internal fire attacks?
"There's no way of strengthening the internal organs, so any enemy struck with that blow is going to succumb!"
He still partially redirected it.
No, he has 10 minutes to recover his Haki after his time limit.
He fought for 11 hours against Cracker and 13 against Katakuri. Go reread the story.
Proof?
Anbu said that top tier Ninja could fight for an hour at best, even Kage level fighters.
Luffy fought Cracker for 11 and Katakuri for 13. Try again.
Proof of otherwise? You don't give proof in any thread you take part in, you just say "no".
Strawman. I never said he does, I said he redirects it.
Is Rasenshuriken above 26 Teratons? No? Ok then, bye bye Rasenshuriken.
Can Naruto fly? Can Naruto switch the direction of his attacks after they've been set off?
Gear Fourth is physically stronger with flight.
Keep going. The match is already over.
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They're perfect constructs of the opponent but that's also irrelevant as his clones don't have the same amount of Chakra as Naruto himself and that's something Luffu would be able to tell.
He's correct, Luffy badly out senses Naruto. Even without Kenbunshoku Haki Luffy already has crazy senses, and with Kenbunshoku those are only amplified and added onto that. Kenbunshoku Haki sensing qualifies for literally over 70% of the type of sensing listed in the enhanced senses page.
Naruto being able to tank fire is irrelevant as Red Hawk forces the fire into the opponent's body.
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Show me luffy sensing energy and that is also wrong since people who can see energy cannot tell the difference
Sage Mode>>>A shit ton of sensory abilities that are vastly superior to Luffys base senses
It goes in because the punch does damage it doesn't teleport inside
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Luffy's sensing scales to every Kenbunshoku user in the show since they use the exact same ability.
Stop saying Naruto's sensing is better, prove it.
Yes, it does.
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I wanna see you try to prove this
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basic Kenbunshoku has better energy sensing than the Byakugan.- 3,881
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Well first of all They can sense invisiblity, they can also sense energy, They can sense over long distances and have telepathy sensing
There more comparable to basic Observation then Luffys baseline senses
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https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Haki/Kenbunshoku_Haki luffy can see and sense someones presence even if their presence isn't even there ..https://youtu.be/AiwBd9cnFyE?t=175
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I heavily disagree with the clones part; but everything else is fair (Besides Luffy using telepathy as a tactical advantage in a fight; I'd need scans for that)
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Also; "Via instinct" is not an actual argument. It doesn't mean anything on its own; because instinct can mean anything relating to senses. It's not descriptive enough to draw a conclusion from.
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"Invisible Slashes?"
Zoro smacks invisible attack.
Luffy has better Kenbun than him.
"I can see, their spirit!"
Long distance is useless in this fight.
Scans?
Basic Observation is better than every sensing in Naruto prior to SPSM.
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Both of these points are completely false.
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I wan't even comparing it to Observation but ok sure those are air pressure attacks which can be sensed much easier then what they can sense
It doesn't mean their literal soul which by the way brook showed is definitly not blue nor is it exactly shaped like them
This is the Yamanaka clan which it is superior to
I wasn't even comparing sage mode I was comparing stuff it was better then
And you proved that how
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"Invisible slashes"
When did I say literal soul?
Where is it stated that Sage Mode is better than the Yamanaka Clan's sensing?
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Brook has a devil fruit... Its a green soul https://media.comicbook.com/2018/07/one-piece-soul-king-1125841-1280x0.jpeg while big mom with her soul soul fruit looks purple https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/9/9d/Soru_Soru_no_Mi_Infobox.png/revision/latest?cb=20170521101146 you can't really tell how souls actually look like but I think observation haki senses their aura or spiritual energy which is kinda the soul
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Fair with that but souls are still portrayed as more circular with both big mom and brook
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Air Pressure can be sensed much easier then Muu
Spirit=soul
Shown in the pain arc with only naruto being able to locate him
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But that's when the soul is outside the body and both brook and big mom has a devil fruit and are different things
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Did I say Muu's name? No.
Oh so I guess it's soul then
Never did, idc
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Anyways, unfollowing until Grace is over
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They sense muu keep up
Which is contradicted so it is just him sensing them through the wall
Except it literally was
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Those are the only examples of souls and they are literally just the soul
And it also is shown that they are automatically in the form when extracted
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Luffy most likely wins this but
when has Luffy's telapathy been used to the point where he can tell a clone is thinking that its going to be a distraction for naruto?
since this naruto still has kurama wouldn't he just regen from the internal damage? He dosent need to be transformed for kurama to heal him (kakashi even notes this in the land of waves)
The only sense thats really relevant for luffy is the future sight since both have danger emotion enhanced senses etc
Luffy wouldnt be able to tell that the clones have less chakra then the original, haki showed them the outline of the people not whats going on inside their body
That anbu saying top tier ninja can fight for an hour best is just wrong, Team 7 in the forest of death fought rain ninja all throughout the night until the sun came up
when has Luffy's telapathy been used to the point where he can tell a clone is thinking that its going to be a distraction for naruto?
since this naruto still has kurama wouldn't he just regen from the internal damage? He dosent need to be transformed for kurama to heal him (kakashi even notes this in the land of waves)
The only sense thats really relevant for luffy is the future sight since both have danger emotion enhanced senses etc
Luffy wouldnt be able to tell that the clones have less chakra then the original, haki showed them the outline of the people not whats going on inside their body
That anbu saying top tier ninja can fight for an hour best is just wrong, Team 7 in the forest of death fought rain ninja all throughout the night until the sun came up
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luffy can sense emotion and intent... So if you were about think of hitting luffy then he would know before hand... And sensing and seeing isn't the same... And yes observation haki should easily see their chakra since doflamingo can do this to his body with observation haki...https://youtu.be/DbVL67Ni81Q?t=1624
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Why is emotion sensing relevant here? Both are going for a kill/knock out, naruto can also sense intent
observation haki users have been hit before you acting like he can flawless victory anybody without future sight
all he did was fix his organs how does that = seeing how much chakra a clone has
observation haki users have been hit before you acting like he can flawless victory anybody without future sight
all he did was fix his organs how does that = seeing how much chakra a clone has
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Since observation haki can even see or sense inside of their body... Kinda the same with byakugan... And no naruto can't sense intent... He senses the presences https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Sensor_Type https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Sage_Mode
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You can sense someone's intent so you will know what he is about to do while danger sense you will only know something bad will happen...https://youtu.be/ocv6_EXm0Zs?t=4 rayleigh can sense the intent and will know what it is about to do.... While danger sensing will only alert you that something bad while happen
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Kenbunshoku has presence detection and can sense the opponents strength, his clones inherently don't have the same amount of Chakra as the original Naruto himself so that's something Luffy could sense. "This clone has less energy than the original."
Also if they could see the insides of Doffy's organs then yeah they'd be able to see Chakra Networks.
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So if someone is about to teleport intent sensing will know that he is about to teleport
while danger sensing won't tell you what he will do
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something bad was about to happen to rayleigh im confused here, that looks like danger awareness/spidey senses
Kiba and other people who can sense chakra and see chakra flow still werent able to tell the real naruto from the clones so I doubt luffy would be able to tell the difference like that
I dont recall anybody seeing doffys organs, he was operating on himself with his strings he wasnt looking inside with his haki
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if that were the case room shambles wouldnt even be relevant, and we know thats not the caseSo if someone is about to teleport intent sensing will know that he is about to teleport
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Rayliegh literally said he will attack from the right.... While danger awareness won't tell you that
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They know it will happen but they can't stop it since they are inside of a room and law has observation haki aswell...https://youtu.be/8pqDcwJ0mhQ?t=382 doflamingo will be able to sense a little I think from law and can react to law since he knows beforehand
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