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Though, it's because he don't care...Chariot himself seems to agree with the downgrade though....
i think it's not listed, because rtz is an hax, so it's attack speed and reactionsBut is not listed like that in the profile, Infinite with The World Over Heaven is more than enough.
ger isn't physically infinite speed anymore. only with rtzagain it doesnt matter if he reacted to rtz or not. the fact he can muda muda ger and speed blitz him is an infinite speed combat feat on its own, lol.
close this thread its literally useless
Infinite for its Return to Zero (Ranked "None" in Speed on its Stand stats, those being referenced in the JOJO-A-GO!GO! guidebook as it stated that its ability "is impossible to compare with the existing Stand(s) and measuring rod(s)"; By comparison, Notorious B.I.G. and Made in Heaven are ranked "∞" on their speed, with the latter having briefly been able to achieve infinite speed [See note 4 below])where is it stated in his profile that ger via rtz is only infinite speed?
if thats the case id argue bull on that and pure headcanon, nothing in the source material states rtz amps his speed
I think he meant where it's writed that is only with Return to Zero.It doesn't amp his speed. The ability itself is infinite speed, not GER.
yes, and that's attack speed and reactions instead of Travel Speedthanks for the clarification but that still doesnt stop the fact he completly nullified rtz which is an infinite speed feat.
Let it die, Infinite Speed is good to staySo, what about this theard forgotten by god?
what will happen?
Let it die, Infinite Speed is good to stay
Giorno after comments about RtZ not working against DIO, meaning that it actually started to act before DIO nulled it for good.If it is the only effect, that's just Power null, if there is another effect ressembling RTZ, that's infinite speed
RO effects are after RtZ activations (we know them because we can see some effects if im not wrong, but mostly because of giorno quote "you will never reach the reallity" aka the quote that ger and giorno do in rtz effects.I can't see the video rn but i remember the scene only having RO effects, not RTZ, the latters effects in game are shown as a grey circle thingy, while RO's is distorting space around.
If it is the only effect, that's just Power null, if there is another effect ressembling RTZ, that's infinite speed
^You can clearly see effects around TWOH and GER's fists, meaning that RtZ was clearly working until DIO power-nulled it.
We wouldn't see these effects if TWOH nulled GER from using RtZ in the 1st place, but just DIO MUDA-ing GER.
How effects was supposed to be? explain.Not really, if there is no effects in the scene, there is no evidence it was activated before being nulled, or else dio would've been affected the moment before they even touched punches, unless he has resistance to RTZ.
It's the same giorno with the same speed, it comes from part 5 main timeline.The only effects i can see are dio's RO and some purple lightining, would it be the latter, RTZ's effect in game is a grey cicle thingy.
Also RTZ clearly works differently there since it ain't automatic and seems to have different special effects, so why are we scaling it to the canon version again?
whyHonestly, I could suggest for a different key for Gio for EoH.
RTZ in EoH isn't similar to the manga and anime, also TWOH barraging him and he being fine despite the dura
HA Dio still scale to infinite speed.RTZ in EoH isn't similar to the manga and anime, also TWOH barraging him and he being fine despite the dura
If TWOH scales to infinite, then GER should too, since afaik they still clashed.HA Dio still scale to infinite speed.
no, Ger scales to infinite. RtZ in EoH is just a bit nerfed on some ability, though, he actived it before than TWOH power null.If TWOH scales to infinite, then GER should too, since afaik they still clashed.
Gio surviving TWOH's barrage isn't like the canon self.We definitely don't need to when anyone else is like the canon self. At best a "Completely countered GER's Return to Zero" would be good as a justification for HA DIO's speed.
I agree with getting rid of infinite speed.This is ridiculous. He doesn't react to RtZ, he stops it from firing. Let's just get rid of the Infinite speed and call it a day.
Outliers are a thing.Gio surviving TWOH's barrage isn't like the canon self.
Also can I see the timestamp on DIO OH nulling RTZ? Cause afaik, the latter wasn't shown properly unlike Act 4 and SP. That's why this downgrade exists.
You can clearly see effects around TWOH and GER's fists, meaning that RtZ was clearly working until DIO power-nulled it.
We wouldn't see these effects if TWOH nulled GER from using RtZ in the 1st place, but just DIO MUDA-ing GER.
If DIO didn't had enough speed, he'd got just nulled as he wouldn't be fast enough to deal with RtZ.
Wouldn’t he have to react to an infinite speed ability in order to power null it.Why would he need speed at all if he power-nulls it?
I don't think so. You don't necessarily need to be as fast as an ability in order to counter or nullify it.Wouldn’t he have to react to an infinite speed ability in order to power null it.
You see them clash Rtz activates and then Dio power nulls it.