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What's the tier for transcending the concepts of time and space of a 4D universe? Low-2C or low-1C?
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To all those very knowledgeable about the tiering system.
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Depends on how it transcends the Concepts.
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Understood, but @Antvasima said that you aren't very knowledgeable about it Afahk.
Basically transcending the universe, its space-time and the concepts of time and space that governs it.
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OK? Eh.
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How do the results differ depending on the different kinds of transcending?
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Because despite what certain people on the Wiki seem to think Transcend can be used in a variety of ways, such as just being absent of something without being above it.
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I mean for those beings that are transdual.
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Yeah, i don't know why.
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Oh, this? It's just that, Transduality. Not remotely Low 1-C.
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So why transcending the concepts of space time isn't low 1C for a transdual entity that transcends the universe and its space-time?
If the verse is 4D and you transcend the concepts of space time of that verse you're technically 5D whether you are transdual or not right?
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Because the kind of transcendence that is Transduality isn't Low 1-C. That simple.
Transcend in the sense of being superior is Low 1-C.
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Yes I was referring to being superior to the entire verse's cosmology.
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"Because the kind of transcendence that is Transduality isn't Low 1-C. That simple."
At least give a good explanation so that I could understand why.
At least give a good explanation so that I could understand why.
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Understood
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Being Transdual doesn't mean superiority to said concepts.
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Type 1 (Specific Transduality): Being qualitatively beyond and superior to the nature of one or several specific dual systems.
Type 2 (False General Transduality): Being qualitatively beyond and superior to the nature of all dual systems and concepts within the scope of an entire level of reality. Any non 1-A (Outerverse level) characters who transcend duality at a basic level would also qualify for this level, as space and time can be thought of as dual concepts, as well as existing within/outside spatio-temporal dimensionality.
Isn't that the case in the transduality page? @Planck69 and @Antvasima
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What about those that embody duality but are beyond and superior to the nature of space time and the universe as a whole?
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That would require more context. The feat itself would be being superior to the space-time of a universe or multiverse. The duality stuff means nothing.
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Being superior to a four dimensional universe via means of transcendence is technically five dimensions is it? You wouldn't need the cosmology to be a multiverse to do so.
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The thing I don't get is....if duality embodies every known dual system including space and time....why being superior to duality by transcending it isn't the same as the example stayed in my previous comment.
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What I mean is transcending the very concept of duality itself not just embodying it while transcending the dual concepts of space time but transcending the very concept that spawned the dual system in the first place.
Basically transcending not only the dual system but the concept that created the dual system. That's what I meant.
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Just because Ant said something doesn't mean it's true 100%. As it was shown in multiple threads Planck has a good grasp of the tiering system.
Transcending space and time is a vague statement without further context to back it or feats as it can mean multiple things - all depending on the context in which it was said. It could be the character being simple beyond space-time and thus immune or resistant to manipulations of space-time or powers that could alter the timeline or such things. Or something like being beyond time and space and be treated as the character being able to freely move through this concept (ex. time-travel, immeasurable speed). Another way it is if the said character transcends space and time but doesn't show any superiority over it which would mean it's some unique state of being (Acausality for example). At the same time, it could be about being a higher being that lives/is in a qualitative superior space-time/dimension which would put them normally at Low 1-C - of course, this if it was shown that their reality/universe/etc is made of 4 dimensions.
Many ways to interpret it and which help to see on which category it may fall is to actually post quotes/statements/images/videos/etc. Just by mentioning them and in vague terms like you do it's hard to actually come to a result.
Another thing to note is that from knowing you, your threads, and the familiarity of the statements said by you, I can say that I know the past, and can foretell the future of this debate - this is about Sun Wukong or some new interpretations you have about Jiang Ziya.
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Jiang Ziya ain't involved here.
And I'll see if I could quote the statement here after I scroll through a hundred chapters to find it.
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This was about upgrading Sun Wukong to Low 1-C, yes
Greatsage13th was trying to use Planck and Weekly to force through that change, and I was reluctant to allow it without indepth knowledge.
For the case of transparency, I will show the conversation below. My apologies if I brought offence and made inaccurate assessments.
Greatsage13th was trying to use Planck and Weekly to force through that change, and I was reluctant to allow it without indepth knowledge.
For the case of transparency, I will show the conversation below. My apologies if I brought offence and made inaccurate assessments.
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I thought this sounded familiar. No problem Ant, no need to apologize.
Anyway, personally, I wouldn't bring him back at all. He legitimately had a lot of cross-scaling to real life philosophical concepts and the member pushing for a profile isn't particularly reliable or unbiased in this area.
Anyway, personally, I wouldn't bring him back at all. He legitimately had a lot of cross-scaling to real life philosophical concepts and the member pushing for a profile isn't particularly reliable or unbiased in this area.
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If he had cross-scaling with IRL philosophical concepts and ideas, that would lead to a 1A tier. Right now we are not trying to scale him to those IRL concepts and just using what we find in the novel. And no I'm not harbouring favouritism for JTTW, the one I have favouritism for would be Villainous instead.
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The verse does contain time as part of its universe so it's 4D from this quote.
"The Divine Root Conceives and the Spring Breaks Forth
As the Heart's Nature Is Cultivated, the Great Way Arises
Before Chaos was divided, Heaven and Earth were one;
All was a shapeless blur, and no men had appeared.
Once Pan Gu destroyed the Enormous Vagueness
The separation of clear and impure began.
Living things have always tended towards humanity;
From their creation all beings improve.
If you want to know about Creation and Time"
Edit:the JTTW does make a distinction between what they are unbounded by and what they transcend/embody. Also the only thing they are stated to be unbounded by is reality but nothing else than that.
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Don't know why i'm still doing this despite the chances of success but anyway
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