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Here we go... There's some really strange stuff going on I'm not gonna let get through, and I'm kinda amazed it's going to get through if I don't do this...
Ok, I got a lot of problems with the MonsterVerse right now. Mainly the High 6-A stuff going on at the minute, essentially all of it seems incorrect to me...
First off, currently Godzilla is scaling to High 6-A based on a feat accepted at 6-C. This is just blatantly wrong for obvious reasons... The Verse page also needs fixing, as the Powers of the Verse section also states that this feat is High 6-A, but the calculations section documents it at it's correct 6-C.
However I am aware there's more stuff to go over, so this isn't all... Lets get to the other stuff...
Blog 1:
The MonsterVerse's Immortality (Type 1) needs to be changed to Longevity, or needs to be justified further, as afaik there's no reason to assume they live forever, just a really, really long time.
Argo Downgrade: (Accepted)
The Argo should in no way be scaling to the Titans, never has it been stated to be any kind of threat to them in any way, and the only times it actively attacks any of them, it is to be a distraction and nothing else. It deals no notable damage to any Titan in the movie at all. It's stats should be completely revised.
Ok, I got a lot of problems with the MonsterVerse right now. Mainly the High 6-A stuff going on at the minute, essentially all of it seems incorrect to me...
First off, currently Godzilla is scaling to High 6-A based on a feat accepted at 6-C. This is just blatantly wrong for obvious reasons... The Verse page also needs fixing, as the Powers of the Verse section also states that this feat is High 6-A, but the calculations section documents it at it's correct 6-C.
However I am aware there's more stuff to go over, so this isn't all... Lets get to the other stuff...
Blog 1:
- At the start of Blog 1, we get these links: Link 1, Link 2, and Link 3(There's also a Link 4 but it takes us to Discord...)
- Link 1:
- "She can shatter weaker "edge pieces" of a tectonic plate. Like knapping flint. She can also manipulate fault lines"
- This blatantly clears up that Muto Prime can only shatter the weaker edges of a tectonic plate, not the plates itself.
- "She can shatter weaker "edge pieces" of a tectonic plate. Like knapping flint. She can also manipulate fault lines"
- Link 2:
- "Jinshin-Mushi is using her Earthquake triggering concussive blast directly on Godzilla. The same power, different application. Instead of shattering a tectonic plate, it shatters Godzilla directly"
- This one would have basis if it weren't for the other statements, this contradicts what writers have said already (More commonly for that matter), and could still also refer to Prime shattering weaker parts of tectonic plates.
- "Jinshin-Mushi is using her Earthquake triggering concussive blast directly on Godzilla. The same power, different application. Instead of shattering a tectonic plate, it shatters Godzilla directly"
- Link 3:
- "It appears she's creating earthquakes at will! But really it's more complicated than that. When she punched the ground, she triggered a shockwave that destabilized a nearby fault line - or perhaps created a new fault line, by fracturing a weak portion of an existing plate.
- She could have triggered a shockwave which destabilized a fault line
- Fault lines are already unstable and that's why they're documented in the first place, so this doesn't warrant much validity
- Once again states she can crack weak portions of plates
- Overall this statement sounds more like theorizing altogether though so I'm questioning it's validity entirely.
- She could have triggered a shockwave which destabilized a fault line
- "It appears she's creating earthquakes at will! But really it's more complicated than that. When she punched the ground, she triggered a shockwave that destabilized a nearby fault line - or perhaps created a new fault line, by fracturing a weak portion of an existing plate.
- Link 1:
- Calulation 1:
- I'm not even sure what's supposed to be being calculated here. I assume it's some kind of Kinetic Energy? In that case:
- Where did the mass come from?
- Where did the speed come from?
- Why are we doing this?
- I'm not even sure what's supposed to be being calculated here. I assume it's some kind of Kinetic Energy? In that case:
- Calculation 2:
- "MUTO Prime is stated to have the ability to manipulate tectonic plates and broke their fault lines:"
- Then gives this link
- This link blatantly states that she can take off smaller chunks of Tectonic plates from the edges. "Like knapping flint"
- Then gives this link
- "They should be in reach a level of magnitude 10 on Richter scale. Magnitude 10 is actually possible cause it wont be the first time we saw this, one the effect caused by the Chixculub meteor was magnitude 11.2 to 13 earthquakes depending of which documentary you are referring to."
- This assumption has no basis whatsoever, comparing MUTO Primes earthquakes to those created by a Meteorite 10 Kilometres across without as much as a statement is a no go under any circumstances.
- This calculation once again seems to believe that MUTO Prime is affecting full Tectonic Plates when in reality she just simply is not.
- "Assuming she could produce that much energy by the rupture of a fault line of 150km we get for the speed: 150/3 = 50 So the Kinetic Energy is :
(17,076,040,800,000,000,000,000*50^2)/2 = 21345051000000000000000000 Joules"- The speed should be in Metres per second, not Kilometres per second.
- I could keep going on with this but Ugarik also has problems with the Blog, which have been mentioned in the comments. This blog should not be used.
- "MUTO Prime is stated to have the ability to manipulate tectonic plates and broke their fault lines:"
- "Remake MUTO Prime Calc"
- "Then assuming MUTO Prime punches with the Force/Mass of a Tectonic Plate"
- Where does this come from at all?
- This image used gives absolutely no indication that MUTO Prime punches with the Force of a Tectonic Plate, this assumption has been fabricated from nowhere and this calculation is therefor just blatantly invalid.
- Where does this come from at all?
- "So it's likely that MUTO Prime prefers to manipulate Continental Plates. In conclusion it's possible for her punches to similar force/mass to the continental crust"
- This also has no basis at all and is not valid FRA.
- "Then assuming MUTO Prime punches with the Force/Mass of a Tectonic Plate"
- Feat 1: Muto Prime shakes the world:
- The one statement giving this just blatantly sounds like Hyperbole. The language used throughout it claims a lot of things, none of which hold any real value.
- Afaik this stuff comes from ancient writings, which refer to the Titans as Gods, so of course they're going to think that Muto Prime could shake the entire world, it creates earthquake, yeah. I agree with that, it's blatant. But shaking the entire earth is not something it's presented as capable of.
- Feat 2: MUTO Prime causes earthquakes by fracturing weak portions of tectonic plates:
- I agree the better way to calculate this is with earthquakes to a degree. I disagree that total seismic energy should be used.
- Once again, Muto Prime does not manipulate entire Tectonic plates.
- She can fracture smaller, weaker portions of plates with her attacks.
- She also punches the ground to cause these earthquakes.
- This means only radiated waves should be used for this feat.
- Once again, Muto Prime does not manipulate entire Tectonic plates.
- I agree the better way to calculate this is with earthquakes to a degree. I disagree that total seismic energy should be used.
- Feat 3: Moving Ghidorah's Storm
- The feat itself is valid, however the method used for scaling and such seem strange. I'm still concerned on using storms heights higher than average as I've stated before as the wiki has standards for height that should be used. I'll leave that up to staff to decide.
The MonsterVerse's Immortality (Type 1) needs to be changed to Longevity, or needs to be justified further, as afaik there's no reason to assume they live forever, just a really, really long time.
Argo Downgrade: (Accepted)
The Argo should in no way be scaling to the Titans, never has it been stated to be any kind of threat to them in any way, and the only times it actively attacks any of them, it is to be a distraction and nothing else. It deals no notable damage to any Titan in the movie at all. It's stats should be completely revised.
- Attack Potency: The Argo is shown to have missiles, and is one of Monarchs most armed aircraft, if not the most. So it should at least scale to smaller Aircraft too such as one's shown firing at Rodan, and Ghidorah. I'll be calculating all of these soon enough.
- Feats relating to this are shown in the clips below (Tiers estimated based on Explosion size)
- The Blog has been created with all notable explosions throughout the movie placing the Argo safely at 8-C
Argo directly firing some smaller missiles at Ghidorah (Should be around 9-A)Smaller Jets fire missiles at Ghidorah (Should get to around 8-C)More smaller Jets firing smaller rockets (Seem to be around 9-A)Smaller Jets fire rockets at Rodan (Seem to be 9-A, potentially 8-C)Same jets, more missiles (Probably 9-A)Multiple Barrages of Rockets from Argo and Smaller Jets (9-A)
- Speed: Speed is fine, I have no problems with that.
- Lifting Strength: Why does a Jet even have a lifting strength stat? This makes no sense. But I guess if it were to keep this stat then it can carry the Ospreys at least, which should be like Class 50 at most.
- Durability: The Argo did not survive a direct shot from Ghidorah's Gravity Beams
- It barely survived a shock which had travelled through multiple other Jets and travelled through the clouds before hitting the Argo, and after this was heavily damaged.
- It survives a Lightning Strike from Ghidorah's Storm
- In this feat specifically, the Argo is in the air, and the bolt is short, so we can assume a large portion of the energy is getting tanked here. Which should mean this is a valid Lightning Tanking feat, which is around 8-C.
- Even if this feat isn't valid, it should be fair to assume Durability is at least comparable to AP, which is 8-C anyways.
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