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Still he agreed it was 50x
He just felt like it could be an exaggeration
anyway even it it was 40x still the profiles are so low especially in speed
Even if U say 10x still low
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DBS low 2-C scaling revision
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He just felt like it could be an exaggeration
anyway even it it was 40x still the profiles are so low especially in speed
Even if U say 10x still low
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You don't get it, 50x SSJ1 multiplier is only for Frieza Saga Goku, SSJ1's multiplier the multipliers of later forms balloons to unquantifiable levels in the Cell Saga. Only Kaio-Ken remains untainted as of DB Super.
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It doesn't "balloon to unquantifiable levels", the characters just become stronger.
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Guys, stop discussing the multiplier for the love of Zen’o. The only reason multipliers was brought up was because of the supposed infinite difference in power between 3-A and low 2-C characters in DB. Which people literally wanted to yeet 3-A for since DB doesn’t follow the same logic the wiki does, this thread is here to solve some of the problems that stem from the 3-A/Low 2-C debate so there’s absolutely no point bringing up multipliers.
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I get it it became unquantifiable I know that butI t gave them more boast cause they mastered the Form more & more with more power ,speed output & better stamina control , so its naturally above 50x obviously
This is unquantifiably higher than 50x actually
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Thats why I wanted make a 2-C BoG Thread but everyone was like : "don't"
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We stopped using grades as well, I think, since they're not on the DBZ canon profiles anymore. We only have normal Super Saiyan and Full Power Super Saiyan now, no Grades 2, 3 or 4 or any of that.
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Why is everyone bitching about multipliers when there’s no quantifiable multiplier for IZ anyway? IZ is far above Vegito due to the feats he’s shown. Please stop shoving multipliers down our throats.
Have you not read the OP? Why the **** would Vegito blue scale? And what’s your actual refute for the base saiyans not scaling when there’s a great amount of evidence?
Have you not read the OP? Why the **** would Vegito blue scale? And what’s your actual refute for the base saiyans not scaling when there’s a great amount of evidence?
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It's kind of iffy to say that Base Goku > Vegito Blue though.
Also If Battles of Gods was Low 2-C Vegito would scale to Beerus like in the manga
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Yeah because Goku totally got a zenkai that made something like this:
Base Goku >>> Vegito Blue >>>>>> Base Vegito >>> pre Zenkai SSB Goku >>>>>>>> pre Zenkai Base Goku.
Trillions of a times increase all of a sudden.
Zenkais do exist, but this is forced af. They all just withstood the attack bc plot.
And this would make recovered Blueku far above Infinite Zamasu lvl when the only guy that was able to do something like this was Suppressed Jiren.
Base Goku >>> Vegito Blue >>>>>> Base Vegito >>> pre Zenkai SSB Goku >>>>>>>> pre Zenkai Base Goku.
Trillions of a times increase all of a sudden.
Zenkais do exist, but this is forced af. They all just withstood the attack bc plot.
And this would make recovered Blueku far above Infinite Zamasu lvl when the only guy that was able to do something like this was Suppressed Jiren.
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Yes. That’s exactly what I’m saying.
So what? Lmao. Goku literally got a potara level amp just because he was mad at Zamasu. If Goku can get that strong in a few minutes, then getting a Zenkai after getting one shot by Merged Zamasu, then it’s not outlandish
Jiren was stated to be the highest power they’ve felt. That doesn’t contradict anything. Neither Goku nor Vegeta could transform and had to resort to Zeno because of how weak they were.
You’re entire argument it “well saiyans can’t get that strong that quickly”. That’s blatant argument from incredulity.
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When has Goku gotten a trillion of times increase out of a single zenkai?
Initial Fusion Zamasu didn't have that much of an advantage over the Saiyans considering how an Father Son Garlic Gun overpowered him, Goku just got a Rage Boost and also did the same on him.
The real advantage started with that LoJ power up and that's what made them fuse.
Also, if they got that huge of a zenkai the series would have pointed it out, they couldn't even go Super Saiyan for god sake. How were they supposed to get one in that moment, the scene was just plot Armor for the Saiyans.
I think this is just overcomplicating the already messy power scaling that Super has.
Initial Fusion Zamasu didn't have that much of an advantage over the Saiyans considering how an Father Son Garlic Gun overpowered him, Goku just got a Rage Boost and also did the same on him.
The real advantage started with that LoJ power up and that's what made them fuse.
Also, if they got that huge of a zenkai the series would have pointed it out, they couldn't even go Super Saiyan for god sake. How were they supposed to get one in that moment, the scene was just plot Armor for the Saiyans.
I think this is just overcomplicating the already messy power scaling that Super has.
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THIS
Scaling problems exist because we're dumb and place BoG at 3-A, while Low 2-C is WAY more consistent with the future scaling.
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Btw kid buu was the strongest buu & buu Saga goku got fat buu lvl to kid buu lvl (above Buuhan)
Good old zenkai boast
Good old zenkai boast
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Where are you getting trillions of times from? Feats >>> your headcanon numbers.
That was after they were overpowered by Zamasu and his wall of light. It’s another example of a zenkai I literally posted in the OP.
Like I said, after the zenkais they got.
Call it plot armor all you want, you’re just denying facts lol.
It actually doesn’t. We wouldn’t have to worry about who scales to low 2-C in the ToP because most of the contestants that are 3-A would be low 2-C.
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Like, can't we use the whole "the universe will be leaved to total void" for Low 2-C since the "WoV was described as without space-time" and the universe made of 2 different flow of time supporting it, since they would destroy even the time of both Universe and Afterlife?
Could be wrong but is the only way I can think of Low 2-C BoG, with is even supported from the future scaling.
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@StrymULTRA I think we don't treat the afterlife and living universe as being seperate space time continuums but are rather part of the same continuum
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That was suggested for 2-C BoG, Ik how they are treated, but them having time flowing differently supports the whole U7 structure being Low 2-C and not just 3-A.
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Aye. Do me a favor and not talk about 2-C BoG? Lol.
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Did I talk about 2-C BoG?
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Brotha I didn't talked about 2-C but Low 2-C, and I was trying to backup Ottavio's post since BoG has actually basis to be Low 2-C and not just 3-A, with these basis supported from the future scaling.
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Another problem is with how the wiki treats Universal feats.
We treat Universal destruction feats as 3-A instead of Low 2-C because no mentioning of space time.
This is dumb, because most of fiction doesn't treat this and we know this. When they say "destroy the universe" They're talking about the entire universe, not only its physical matter.
So no, we shouldn't treat universal destruction feats as 3-A because it doesn't mention space time. No, it's dumb. We should do the exact opposite
We should treat universal destruction feats as Low 2-C unless the feat is specified to be limited to the physical matter within the universe.
Not to mention that space time are connected, since time depends on space AFAIK
BoG was clearly referring to entirety of the universe, spacetime included, hence Low 2-C which, as you said, is more supported than 3-A by the future scaling
Anyways this should probably have its own thread, I think.
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I mean, this is the thread to discuss how far in Low 2-C is DBS, so why not discussing it here?
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The thread is about Post-Black Arc characters. Not Battle of Gods. These are two very different topics that should be different threads.
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...forgot about that ngl
Nvm I guess, I agree that it should be for another CRT
Nvm I guess, I agree that it should be for another CRT
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You wanna know something funny? It not just a dura feat because they were actually holding off the attack and Zamasu had to fire a bigger beam, on top of the beam they were holding off, to make sure they got hit.
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I always believed that Vegitto Blue and Corrupted Fused Zamasu are possibly low 2C but that's just me...
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Ah, Low 2-A, my favorite tier.
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I agree. It's super underrated.
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Agree with this, zamasu should be above baseline anyway since he was already reaching 2-C + if a bigger universe = stronger low 2-C.
But i'm lost, does this apply only to their god forms or their base forms?
But i'm lost, does this apply only to their god forms or their base forms?
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Base forms.
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Holy shit, so would the scaling chain receive a >>>>>40x boost now? Or rather >>>>>120x since zamasu overpowered them 3?
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It'll probably make IZ 3x baseline since 3 of them together stopped one of his attacks in its tracks.
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low 2C... I meant... Whatever...
Though I don't know about the base forms... Blue for sure...
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I still can't really believe that Base Goku Post-Vegito >>> Vegito Blue
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What is Low 2-A lol
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Me neither lol, but it eez what it eez.
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