Context
I will get all my scans from the japanese version of Sonic 06,
translated by Windii (enable youtube subtiles), the english version is right
here
Misconceptions
First, I am going to clear out some false info being propagaded by the con side out of a lack of knoweledge, even if unintentional
First the most blatant wrong point of "other characters can react to it! immesurable debunked!" which I don't know why it is even being argued since it has nothing to do with the standards change
First,
everyone could see Solaris, even before the fighting even started, Solaris is
not immesurable, he is onmipresent throught time, using the characters reacting to Solaris as a argument is incredible misleading because they all can see Solaris as a giant sun in the sky,
this is show as well when they see Solaris being destroyed, therefore using this as a argument is just misinformation of the pro side points since
only the hedgehogs are immesurable, the characters would need to react to the actions of the hedgehogs, cheering them on is not the same and it is dishonest to compare them both
And about the "immesurable needs a frozen background" argument, first the background is indeed frozen, as seen here, second the characters either react to what the non immesurable character is doing, or react to what happened to him, I hate using Dragon Ball exemples but in BoG the characters can't even sense nor see Goku and Beerus, but they still cheer the sayain on, I honestly don't understand putting reacting and cheering someone on the same tier
The conclusion is that reacting to Solaris doesn't debunk, and neither does cheering
Now to the "time was shaterred therefore this isn't a feat", which I don't understand why people are repeating this as a objective mantra when this was already adressed as wrong, just ignoring the other points
First, as a result
of Mephiles becoming Solaris, he immediatley goes to destroy all universes,
this spatial distortion caughts all the main characters (plot armor lol) bringing them all together, because as Shadow states
they are in a intersection of time and space, as you can all see, the act of Solaris destroying everything created a intersection (ergo a point where two lines cross) of time and space, that's why Silver is with them, but as Eggman says
it won't last for long
Arguments
Now that we got that out of the way, let's go to the feat itself
Mephiles kills Sonic, causing Elise to cry and releasing Iblis,
Mephiles uses the emeralds to fuse with with Iblis which then he immediately goes to destroy everything,
this spatial distortion, ergo,
Solaris action of destroying everything directly causes a intersection between time and space, which is where all the main characters are and the reason they aren't dead, listening to this
Knuckles brings the idea to kill Solaris, which is quickly shut down by Eggman, because since Solaris exists in the past, present and future at the same time, destroying now would do nothing, this is extremely important because it singlehandely refutes this:
Let's say someone was just playing as Sonic and not switching out anyone else yet, the meteors are attacking normally, but when you switch out, all the meteors and what not are in the same respective locations for each period. So it doesn't look much like the meteors actively travel to different time periods, more like that the three fight scenes seem to be happening the same time and Solaris is using the exact same attack patterns across all three periods. For each character you're not controlling, it's commonly assumed the other two are not attacking and probably collecting ring based on the conversations between Sonic, Shadow, and Silver.
This is taking the gameplay too literally, Solaris isn't fighting each character individualy, he is fighting all three of them at the same time, the reply implies that Solaris could fight each one differently, which is impossible because this is just Solaris, he isn't attacking in three time periods, he is just attacking, this is seem by trying to argue that the characters collecting rings is a actual thing, when that is obviously a gameplay mechanic that has already been agreed countless times, the switching isn't canon nor is the chararcters just resting, otherwise Knuckles would be right, in gameplay only one character is needed to beat Solaris, but the story itself is telling us that's wrong
Now back on track from that,
Silver counters Eggman by saying he would just destroy in all at once,
Shadow agrees this would be possible with Sonic. After getting all emeralds
they revive Sonic and fight Solaris.
Now to the main point of the argument, as show multiple times by the most canon source of the game, the orginal japonese dup, Solaris is a being that exists simultaneously in all time, an attack from Solaris does not follow time, because the same attack would hit you in the past, present and future, DMM's own example shows this,
when the switch happens, you can see Solaris still in the position he was fighting Shadow, because the same Solaris is fighting both, of course due to gameplay limitations you can't control all three at the same time, but the story tells us that is what is happening. Now you have these hedgehogs that do not have any special abilities nor powers related to this outside of power and speed, as stated by the story, are able to fight this being and react to his attacks that do not follow time at all, and it will be both in the past and present at the exact same time, they can fight it. Now before ending this I want the opposition to explain how those three hedgehogs with finite speed and no special powers, were able to defeat a being that exists in all of time and that his attacks also exists in all of time, clearly not following the speed formula, this must be what is first responded to understand how this can happen.
Conclusion
The new standards would only downgrade Solaris, since being a higher dimensional being isn't enough for immesurable, nor is being onmipresent throught time, but as stated by knowelegble staff members in the franchise in the previous thread, the hedgehogs would need immesurable speed to deal with Solaris without other abilities, and this point still stands today, and the other arguments are using this opportunity to try to downgrade the rating for completely unrelated reasons, under the pretense of the change.
