Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[Promestein]

I'd take 6 months over a year, and 3 months over 6 months. Way too excessive when his only crime is being stubbornly annoying. Not a precedent I have any interest in setting.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

If you find this wiki stupid just leave already....

This

 

[Tllmbrg]

He'll clearly not change so I don't even know why we bothering to give him a chance again

 

[Moritzva]

I'm definitely not settling for anything below six months, given a lack of regret and willingness to truly admit what he did wrong. Hard no from me.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

And if he's annoying after his ban is over, we ban him again. If he's annoying after that we ban him again. If this pattern repeats ad infinitum, would it not be easier to ban him, ad infinitum?

 

[00potato]

Annoying isn’t enough to ban someone for a significant amount of time. He isn’t harassing you, he isn’t making faulty profiles, he is bringing points on up a topic you don’t like.
That isn’t worth more than 1-3 months at most. He even agreed to drop it.

 

[TheNeverEnding2001]

He even agreed to drop it.

Only to continue it later...

Like he did many times from what i read...

 

[Promestein]

Bans present an opportunity to change. If he doesn't improve then, that's his problem. How much trouble is he really gonna cause, anyways? No one seems to like what he does very much so he'll be watched like a hawk the moment he comes back, and if he ***** up again then he'll be banned again, and I'll be more receptive to a permaban at that point.

But for now - the guy hasn't been banned once. I don't care how annoying he is. A permaban is ABSOLUTELY not justified.

 

[AKM sama]

I don't get why people are so trigger happy with permabans. As I keep saying, permabans are only for reserved for really malicious users, vandalizers, trolls and those who have been repeatedly banned but don't change their behavior to productively aid the site.

This user hasn't been banned even once yet and people are already gunning for permaban saying "he won't change". That's a stupid assumption and that is not how things are done. If he has been given multiple warnings and is still being annoyingly persistent about Cool Cat, we won't permanently ban him just for that. That is way too much. Even 6 months is way too much for that.

Ban him for a month or two at max to make him understand what he did wrong. If he does it again after coming back, we will ban him for longer.

 

[Moritzva]

He was given time to change. He squandered it. That's on him.

My stance has not changed. Preferred permaban, willing to compromise to a year, giving how he still does not show regret or remorse.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Annoying isn’t enough to ban someone for a significant amount of time. He isn’t harassing you, he isn’t making faulty profiles, he is bringing points on up a topic you don’t like.

BigSmoke actually does have a history of making poor quality profiles though

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Uh Prom, from what i remember BigSmoke was banned once in the past

 

[00potato]

BigSmoke actually does have a history of making poor quality profiles though

He is profile banned, he literally cannot.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Uh Prom, from what i remember BigSmoke was banned once in the past

Profilebanned

 

[AKM sama]

Seriously it almost feels like people automatically default to "permaban" for every user they don't like. It is getting really annoying at this point.

 

[Promestein]

We need to set a better precedent with bans. We're far harsher than we need to be.

3 months.

 

[Moritzva]

Sympathy to those who have not changed and do not wish to accept how they were wrong, equally, gets really annoying.

1 year compromise.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Literally everything he has done thus far showed he's not willing to change
I really doubt a few months banned will suddenly make him go "oh look, I shouldn't spam a topic I have been told multiple times about that the answer about is no"

Like I just want to cut the middle part where we'll need to deal with him again

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

I personally think 3 months is reasonable

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I would be willing to compromise not banning BigSmoke as long as the concept of Cool Cat is banned off our site.

Let's cut the black and white bullshit and just not give him any legal loopholes.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

@00potato @Adem_Warlock69 Oh i'm wrong then lel

 

[Stalker_Maggot]

I agree with the ban

 

[AKM sama]

Literally everything he has done thus far showed he's not willing to change
I really doubt a few months banned will suddenly make him go "oh look, I shouldn't spam a topic I have been told multiple times about that the answer about is no"

Like I just want to cut the middle part where we'll need to deal with him again

That is not what can be decided now. We give them a chance to change. What happens afterwards, we will see when it comes to that.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Can we cut the personal insults please?

 

[Moritzva]

I would be willing to compromise not banning BigSmoke as long as the concept of Cool Cat is banned off our site.

Let's cut the black and white bullshit and just not give him any legal loopholes.

This actually sounds rather reasonable. If we ban Cool Cat as a concept completely without intent to bring him back, I'm willing to lessen my hand on the position quite a sizable amount.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

You know what, changed my mind and agreed with the 3 months ban, that more reasonable and more HUMANIC

 

[Moritzva]

That is not what can be decided now. We give them a chance to change. What happens afterwards, we will see when it comes to that.

We already did give him a chance to change. Spoiler alert, it didn't work.

 

[Abstractions]

3-6 months is fine with me, anything further would be pushing it.

I will also agree to banning Cool Cat granted the lack of want for it here.

 

[AKM sama]

Sympathy to those who have not changed and do not wish to accept how they were wrong, equally, gets really annoying.

A ban isn't sympathy. It is a punishment. And it is being given exactly to make him understand that.

 

[Moritzva]

If Cool Cat is banned a la Suggs in terms of "We don't want it here, we won't have it here", then I'll settle for 3 months without complaint.

 

[Moritzva]

A ban isn't sympathy. It is a punishment. And it is being given exactly to make him understand that.

A lenient punishment is sympathy. Root out the source rather than allow yet another repeat.

 

[Promestein]

I'm fine with banning Cool Cat along with the 3 month ban.

 

[TheNeverEnding2001]

Here is the thing he already was told to drop the subject yet he keeps going...

I'm not a admin take this with a grain of sand...

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Maybe this is bit too odd but for peoples that want BigSmoke get a permaban or one year ban, do you guys still have a humanity inside?

 

[00potato]

We seem to agree with light ban, no cool cat. I can settle with that.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Suggverse was banned due to a majority distaste for it on the site. There is a majority distaste for Cool Cat as well. As such, by majority decree, we are allowed to not want it existing anywhere on our site.

If BigSmoke still brings it up again, I will have absolutely no qualms with a permaban then.

 

[Tllmbrg]

That is not what can be decided now. We give them a chance to change. What happens afterwards, we will see when it comes to that.

Okay since it was talked about how about we ban Cool Cat?
If he continues his behaviour with other pages then we permanently ban him

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

I agree with Sir Ovens. Let's ban Cool Cat as a concept.

 

[GojiBoyForever]

Ill agree with the 3 month ban and no Cool cat ever.

 

[Moritzva]

Maybe this is bit too odd but for peoples that want BigSmoke get a permaban or one year ban, do you guys still have humanity inside?

... No, not particularly.

Anywhoo, does anyone disagree with the compromise?