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Nicol Bolas (Magic the Gathering) vs God Emperor of Mankind (Warhammer)

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This match was made two times already, and nobody replied in the threads.

I hope it goes differently for this one.

Anyways, I'll reply soon, just a bit busy rn.
 
Interesting. From what I see here, the Emperor might have a a really close match this time. Time Manipulation, Regen negation, Causality Manipulation, Ressurection, BFR, ...

Waiting for more input until I vote.
 
Meosos said:
Interesting. From what I see here, the Emperor might have a a really close match this time. Time Manipulation, Regen negation, Causality Manipulation, Ressurection, BFR, ...

Waiting for more input until I vote.
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I know alot about nicol bolas, so I can fact check this.

BFR should be in the realms of 'exiling' emperor to another plane, which he has no defense too. His time manipulation is closer to breaking out of time stops from a time mage tho, Everything else seems alright tho.
 
EliminatorVenom said:
The Emperor is waaaaay superior to people who can travel between dimensions, just sayin'.
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That is why he is 4-A To my knowledge, he is not superior to someone at this level who can travel dimensions.
 
Meosos said:
How strong are Bolas mental powers and how are his instant death spells work ?
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http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=430751

There are many cards, aka spells that nicol bolas that allow for BFR/instant death.

Mostly in lines of 'destroy via black which kills regardless of status' or 'exile into another dimension'

Basically for mental powers, they allow for telepathy and controling 'turns' in other words a planeswalkers mind.

There is no resistance to this generally in the mtg verse minus a few spells.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=430727

He can also counter 'magic spells'

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&flavor=+[nicol]+[bolas]

It is generally speaking a good idea to use flavor text via cards to get the idea where his abilities come from.


Feat Wise:

Nicol Bolas defeated Jace, who specializes in mind manipulation and illusions.

He also defeated Lillianna who specializes in black magic, aka necromancy and death manipulation. He can also one shot most 'weak' planeswalkers.

Defeated all of the gatewatch, which together defeated a High 2-A being.

Killed Ugin premending who is a non corpeal spirit dragon.

Abilities:

Mind hax via making people 'forget their abilities' and illusions/

Void Manipulation and BFR via black and blue magic.

Time hax via jumping timelines

Mana/Energy Absorption via Shards of Alara arc, which he turned an entire plane as an energy factory basically (although partially unsuccesful due to story meddling)

These are the general ones, but again.

Taking a look at the cards affiliated with him as well as the planeswalker cards are good places to start and I can clarify.

TLDR: Discard/Exiling Cards = Mind Hax and Void Hax

Exile in battle = BFR

Extra Turns = Time Manipulation

https://magiccards.info/query?q=!Nicol+Bolas,+God-Pharaoh

His exiling is also pretty good, as it is permanant and you cant get out (i know sounds nlf unless you are resistant)

Most of the time these abilities are used to those comparable to his level, which emperor obviously compares (minus a few aspects)
 
They both seem to have the same hax, but Bolas could have an advantage via BFR and Absorption. If the Emperor has really no defense against BFR, I am voting Bolas.
 
Yeah why does he never use that anyhow? It's connected to the whole Warhammer multiverse.

Well, the most logical explanation is games workshop didn't think about it.

...which is the reason for a lot of characters on this wiki not making any sense in terms of abilities...
 
I guess I can count your vote for Meosos for absorption. But I will be unsure if BFR works. Although some planeswalkers cant escape being exiled so I am unsure if it would not work.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
What am I needed for?
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Explain Exile for me in the context of nicol bolas abilities.

the page i linked says it is void manipulation + bfr.

So which is it if you dont mind me asking.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
Bolas' exile has always been portrayed as wiping something from the multiverse, iirc.
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So it would likely not work on GeOM or would it count in the rules of bfr?

I dont know warhammer that well.
 
It might. Obviously it won't perma-kill his true essence, but Bolas can probably stop him from coming back. Though at the same time, GEoM can almost certainly erase Bolas. Honestly I'm not sure. I'm currently leaning more towards an inconclusive, with probably a bit more in the Emperor's favor, but I could write up quite a good bit of analysis, if needed.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
It might. Obviously it won't perma-kill his true essence, but Bolas can probably stop him from coming back. Though at the same time, GEoM can almost certainly erase Bolas. Honestly I'm not sure. I'm currently leaning more towards an inconclusive, with probably a bit more in the Emperor's favor, but I could write up quite a good bit of analysis, if needed.
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Sure. I can also notify matt for his thoughts?
 
I am late to this party.

I am indecisive as for where my vote goes due to the fact that this is pretty much reality warp/instant kill quickdraw. Whoever activates a spell that the other cant block and oneshots wins. The GEOM can just use the attack he used on Horus while Nicol can use any of the plethora of instant kill spells black or red are capable of. As for Time power, I would personally vote for the Big E as he has been shown to be capable of incredible feats in regards to time manipulation while iirc Nicol Bolas has not done much time manipulation since The Mending. In his fight against the Gatewatch he didnt use it and I dont recall him using it in Alara. Its virtually impossible to tell who has better reality warping but as for mental prowess I don't think either of them has any advantage in that regard as they are both unmatched in their own universes. I agree with Azathoth in that it is mostly inconclusive but if we were forced I would say GEOM favoured with 5.1/10 odds.

EDIT: Just reread all the above comments, I dont think BFR would work on Emps due to his ability to teleport through the Warp, although I am not sure how that would work with the BFR that Nicol Bolas is capable of. As far as I remember banishment in MTG works in the way that it just shunts it into the Blind Eternities (effectively the Warp with less of a afterlife theme to it.)
 
GeOM:1 Bolas: 0 Inconclusive:1- 2?? (I will count your vote and azzys as inconclusive, but azzy will need to come back with reasoning if he wants to be counted)
 
@Crimson Also, IIRC he broke out of Teferi's time manipulation fairly easily, which is multiversal in scale and did so casually.
 
KinkiestSins said:
@Crimson
Also, IIRC he broke out of Teferi's time manipulation fairly easily, which is multiversal in scale and did so casually.
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Pre-Mending Bolas. Though I don't think post-Mending Bolas really lost many powers, but instead think they were just infinitely lowered in potency. The one thing I know for certain that he lost is the thing that all planeswalkers lost after the Mending; unconditional immortality.

I'm not sure the extent of post-Mending Bolas' interaction to time manipulation, but the one thing off the top of my head would just be him being unaffected by the change to the multiverse's time stream caused by Ugin and Sarkhan.
 
@Azzy So some minor Time Paradox Immunity? I doubt GeOM would exploit paradoxes even if he could.

But I will count your votes. GeOM:1 Inconclusive: 3
 
@Azzy

How was Bolas unaffected by the time stream shift, iirc he simply sent Yasova the vision using some time manipulation and precog and then he just let events unfold as normal. I don't remember him indicating that he was unaffected by it but I might have misremembered.

edit: spelling
 
Wow, I'm suprised Bolas doesn't have more matcheson here. As for the fight. I really wan't to say Bolas, but that might just be because I'm biased. I know nothing about Warhammer. I'm just gonna go with Inconclusive FRA though. I feel like these two probably would'nt ever accually clash directly, just send their armies after each other endlessly. Sounds like it could be a truly epic clash though.
 
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