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Both these guys look swoll. Lavos VS Reinhaird

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So, during my time on this wiki I kept on notcing a few names that were praised for being pretty strong. I got curious about two of them so I decided to make them fight. Fight takes place in a solar system sized pinball machine,They start off 1 mile away from eachother, win via death or incap, speed equal if it's

Poster punch chrono trigger by zerocartin-d5kjjik
needed. Lavos is 5-A, Reinhard is 5-B.

(My bad if it's a stomp)

Reinhard.Tristan.Eugen.Heydrich.full.259968
 
Well you're not wrong, some of the most haxed characters on this site.

Reinhard should eventually take this via Mid-Godly regen, Nifilheimer Fenriswolf to get the speed advantage on Lavos, and eventually using the spear to kill Lavos for good.
 
Can Reinhard Time Travel? It's not OOC for Lavos to BFR people to the End of Time/time coordinates infinity (or whatever other era) first thing, at times, as he did so to the Gurus. He probs doesn't do it against the main party because they can literally get back to him by jumping on a bucket. Same goes for the DBT - Reinhard would still have to travel back to space and time if he happened to survive being thrown there, since the place is a dimensional void outside of it and Base Lavos could not come back before going DD despite not being done for after he ended up there.

If Reinhard can deal with these two things, then he eventually takes it by throwing the spear as Lavos lacks any means to put him down as far as I'm concerned.

EDIT: Also if this is speed equal, Niflheimr is moot.

EDIT 2: Since I won't be staying for the debate, count my vote according to what I said above. If Reinhard can deal with these two things, I vote that Reinhard eventually puts Lavos down. Now if he can't come back from either, I'll vote Lavos via BFRing him to the End of Time or to the DBT since according to Reinhard's profile, I feel like Lavos would be more likely to pull this on him before he pulls the spear.

EDIT 3: So apparently - going from Rein's profile - range for Glads Teleportation is Multiversal, while to come back from the DBT you'd need Multiversal+ range (and it stands beyond space and time of a universe with endless timelines). Unless I'm understanding something wrong, count my vote for Lavos for the reasons I've given, via BFR to the DBT. Otherwise, see edit 2.
 
@Fate

The teleportation is actually across the entire multiverse, as it's disconnected from it, it just hasn't been updated since before Multiversal+ range was a thing.
 
No reasons above for Reinhard unless that point I made gets explained.

Reinhard should eventually take this via Mid-Godly regen >> Doesn't matter against BFR.

Nifilheimer Fenriswolf to get the speed advantage on Lavos >> Moot due to speed equal.

And eventually using the spear to kill Lavos for good. >> Rein's weakness says it's OOC for him to throw the spear at the start of the fight, while Lavos distributed BFR's to everyone in the timeline where the main party didn't interfere as soon as he appeared so unless he can come back from said BFR's, Rein's never getting a chance to throw it.
 
The Everlasting said:
The teleportation is actually across the entire multiverse, as it's disconnected from it, it just hasn't been updated since before Multiversal+ range was a thing.
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DBT is beyond a Multiverse with endless timelines and needed a Magguffin used at a very specific location to be accessed.

Does Glads have feats of Time Travelling and, more importantly, of travelling from being thrown to a place of nothingness beyond the entirety of said Multiverse? Teleportation across a Multiverse is still not Multiversal+ unless it's literally across an infinite ammount of timelines (and in this case, beyond even that).
 
Considering Rein's range does not state Multiversal+ range nor the ability to travel across said infinite timelines (and now that I look at it, not even Time Travel), I'll have to ask for proof of these feats in said scale.
 
Huh?

I'm saying it's supposed to be Multiversal+, but it's not listed as such.

Also I thought you weren't going to reply to vs. threads anymore.
 
And I'm asking for the proof of its teleportation being able to do all that in such a scale when his profile says otherwise/or doesn't say anything. If it was supposed to be updated but just wasn't, it shouldn't be hard to get the proof.

I'm replying to this one as an exception to save Cal from having a heart attack.
 
What I'm saying is, it's Multiversal for being detached from the multiverse and being able to travel anywhere in it.

But that was before we even had Multiversal+ range.

If ya read the description of Gladsheimr, it mentions that as well.
 
Being able to travel anywhere in the multiverse doesn't mean to be able to travel through nonexistence or time from the end of time.
 
Going by that logic I could give Base Lavos and Queen Zeal Multiversal+ range for "existing outside the flow of space and time" of their verse which has infinite timelines.

And again, I want to see the feat in said scale confirming it may travel back to space and time if it's thrown in a place that is literally said to be a dimensional void with no beginning nor end beyond infinite timelines.
 
Eh? What's that got to do with it? Also, existing outside of the flow of space and time would just be Universal+. That or Immeasurable speed which is... yeah...

"And again, I want to see the feat in said scale confirming it may travel back to space and time if it's thrown in a place that is literally said to be a dimensional void with no beginning nor end beyond infinite timelines."

I never said that. I said that it can travel across an infinite multiverse.
 
@Ever Precisely. It has nothing to do with it because existing detached from space and time doesn't equal being able to travel from non-existence beyond the entirety of space and time, made of infinite timelines, back to whatever place you want to.

And 'k. I get what you mean.

The question still remains.

@Dragon

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My farewell party, I suppose.
 
"It has nothing to do with it because existing detached from space and time doesn't equal being able to travel from non-existence beyond the entirety of space and time, made of infinite timelines, back to whatever place you want to."

You're the only one bringing this in, tho.

I never mentioned anything of the sort.
 
When I went to sleep I was not expecting this to be this popular, so that is a nice suprise. I counted the votes so far to keep track.

Reinhard 1?: Everlasting?.

Lavos 4: Loyal, Fate, Cal, Gargoyle.

Let me know if I got the votes wrong.
 
Gladdheimr can just bring Reinhard back from BFR, since he can bring/send LDO members around the entire Multiverse and is outside the Space-Time. Thats doesn't mean that he is 2-A, just his range of teleportation is equivalent to 2-A range.

So... After a hard battle, one of them will get some love, and BB will get jealous.

My vote goes to Reinhard, since he isn't so overconfident.
 
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Stll waiting for the proof or a feat of his travelling being in that scale where he can come back from a dimensional void beyond all of space and time. Being detached from time means literally nothing in the face of this. Even Base Lavos and the Black Omen is said to exist outside the flow of time of a verse with endless timelines. That doesn't mean much. Like, at all here.

Overconfident? Since when is Lavos overconfident? That is literally moot. If anything, Reinhard is on a disadvantage, character considered here, as he's less likely to pull his trump cards from the get go.
 
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That totally sounds like the character in question lived an infinite ammount of times, but since the cosmology of DI is huge anyways, I'll take that at face value.

Not that the verse being endless in timelines matters much if Reinhard does not happen to have a corresponding feat of travelling back from the void and back to time and space, even if sent beyond the limits of said infinite timelines.
 
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