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Hakumen vs Mr. Wednesday

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Wednesday tries to con Hakumen out of giving him his sword. It doesn't end well...

Susano'o vs Odi

Speed equalized. Hakumen is at 100%. Wednesday has Vulcan's sword. Win via death or incapitation.

Hakumen (Chronophantasma, Character Select Artwork)
"I am the white void, I am the cold steel, I am the just sword! I AM HAKUMEN THE END HAS COME!

AmericanGodsO
I am called Glad-o-War, Grim, Raider, and Third. I am One-eyed. I am also called Highest, and True-Guesser. I am Odin!


Who wins and why?
 
Depends on if Hakumen realises the source of Odin's immortality and destroys the planet / kills everyone
 
Actually, Wednesday (Odin) only exists as an idea in America. IIRC the book has two Odins, the real one, and the one born when a bunch of Vikings landed in America. I'm assuming you only have to destroy America actually as Wedesday was born out of the myths surrounding him there.
 
I don't think Hakumen will recognize that though.

Gonna have to give this to Mr Wednesday, Hakumen will never figure out how he keeps resurrecting due to people remembering him, including Hakumen himself, after a while Wednesday uses empathy manipulation and turns him into his friend.

Hell you're better off using 100% Hakumen

EDIT: Wait, is Empathy manipulationpart of mind manipulation! Can Hakumen resist it? If so, Inconclusive as they can't kill eachother, by I still stand by 100% Hakumen.
 
We really should restrict this whole "Lel, blows up the Earth" for American Gods matches. It's a really cheap solution to the fight, like akin to bringing Kryptonite to a Superman fight.
 
Matt. Even then they don't die as long as they're remembered, Hakumen himself remembers him, so blowing up the planet still won't work.
 
Doesn't work like that. If they remain dead dead for a long time and nobody remembers then, they stay dead. Like Nunnyunini.

But yes, "lol blows up the Earth' is a very cheap victory.
 
I thought Hakumen could kill immortals regardless?
 
Well, Empty Sky Form: Time Killer seems really broken, but I wonder if it would work with Mr. Wednesday because he technically isn't a strictly physical, linear being. He'd have to erase the time of everyone on Earth essentially.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Doesn't work like that. If they remain dead dead for a long time and nobody remembers then, they stay dead. Like Nunnyunini.

But yes, "lol blows up the Earth' is a very cheap victory.
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This is what I mean, "and nobody remembers them" but their opponent remembers them, am I missing something?

I still don't think Hakumen has a way to get past typ 8 immortality, but I don't think Wednesday has any way to kill him.

TLDR

1. Will Time Killer erase Wednesday from existence?

2. Will Empathy manipulation work or is it just a product of mind manipulation which Hakumen resists?

3. Won't Wednesday just come back since Hakumen remembers him? Even if he blows up the planet?
 
@Mat the planet blowing up is not comparable to an opponent bringing kryptonite to a fight

Hell, I've seen a lot of people simply say "X blows up the planet, so Y dies because they can't survive in space". This is just the same principle. Cheap or not, it is still a valid victory.

Also, I dunno if this is the same in the TV show as in the books, but a god's power is dependent on how many people actually remember them. Even if Hakumen remembers Wedneday, if no one else does, Wednesday might as well be an ant for all the damage he'd be able to do to Hakumen.

Empathy Manip is mind manip. Hakumen resists.

As for time killer, no clue. Probably not imo
 
@Monarch

It's precisely due to the fact that you can just go "Lel, nukes the Planet", to easily completely nerf the character, that it is rather cheap.

Also

Standard melee range normally; extended melee range with his sword. Varies from hundreds of meters to possibly several kilometers with ranged attacks

Susan ain't destroying any planets with that range, so it's irrelevant.
 
/\ they are 5-A because Izanami could atomize everything in a radius of 400.000 KM, completely destroying the planet and the moon.

Being like Hakumen 100%, Susano'o, Ragna, Jin, possibly Azrael, Jubei, are 5-A scaling from her
 
@Brunout

Scans?

Why is that not on her profile, then? And why does every profile link the Low 5-B calc as proof of 5-A.
 
Then add those to the profiles because as they stand, they have circular scaling that just link to each other and Low 5-B calcs.
 
Hakumen is entirely capable of killing every other person in America / on the planet in order to weaken Wednesday to the point where Odin can't do anything to him

However, I doubt he would ever realise the source of Wednesday's immortality, so I'm going to say inconclusive
 
Even then Hakumen himself will remember him, so he'll still resurrect (don't quite get what Matt means)

And I assume Hakumen has no way to kill Wednesday?
 
Okay how does Wednesday's Immortaliy work? Is it the more who remember him the more powerful he becomes? How will he become 9C if Hakumen still remembers him?

And again does Wednesday have anyway to kill him?
 
Wednesday has a sword that can kill concepts as proven when he kills Vulcan even though the latter was 1) A New God and 2) More powerful than him.
 
Doesn't kill concepts. Kills conceptual embodiments, seeing as guns and weapons didn't all suddenly vanish from existence upon Vulcan's death.

And does the sword ignore durability? Because if it doesn't, it would still be Wednesday at Tier 10 or 9 trying to kill a 5-A with AP
 
Wednesday couldn't have killed Vulcan with AP as it's canonicly proven that Vulcan was stronger with more worshippers at the time. I mean all New Gods at the time were at least notably more powerful than the Old Gods.
 
The range of 5-A could mean that Vulcan could be twice as strong as Wednesday for all we know.
 
Okay.

31.833 Yottatons - 308.1 Yottatons (Blazblue 5-A) vs 210 Yottatons (American Gods 5-A)

Zorya did her feat casually with her fingers. Odin is much stronger than the Zorya as he is the Top God of the Norse Pantheon, a much more well-known and popular deity, and he literally has a Holy-Day every Wednesday (Woden's Day).

The New Gods are MUCH stronger than the Old Gods, it's not even funny. And Odin has a sword that can one-shot Vulcan who is much more powerful (They use the analogy of Wednesday having a half-empty cellar while Vulcan's is overflowing).

It's also implied that he permanently killed Vulcan through the sword + Cursing his weapons.

So let's assume that each thing is *2 as strong as the previous, which is a low-ball.

The sword would be at least 1680 Yottatons, well enough to make kalamari out of Susanoo.
 
At max highball yes, but 31.8x5 is only 159 to 219 at MAX lowball.

Due to this, I'm voting Mr Wednesday, even with 100% Hakumen he'll never put down Wednesday, and eventually Wednesday's AP will catch-up.

Wednesday High dif
 
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