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Toneri Vs Yhwach

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Toneri with Chakra Mode Tenseigan

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Yhwach with the Almighty

The equipment is the same for both series and manga.

The fight takes place in Hueco Mundo. An unchanging night covers the sky, an endless white desert covers the ground. The tree-like objects are not plants, but rather quartz-like minerals.

Unbeknownst to each other or their skills.

Fight to the death.

Who wins? Please state your reasons.
 
Based on that it could go either way since Toneri's moon splitter is Continent level+ and Yhwach durability is also Continent level+
 
This is literally too soon. Yhwach had just gotten his power from the Soul King.
 
^

This.

However, for the time being, I'd say Yhwach, as he's casually in the triple digit petaton range, so he's potentially at least Multi-Continent Level.
 
I don't think it's just too early. It's also too unsuitable and unwise to do so.Yhwach had just gotten the power increase after completely absorbing the Soul King.
 
I actually agree that its too early for yhwach to be used, mainly because his Almighty ability(other than what we've seen of it and it's properties, of course), we don't really know it's actual weaknesses yet either.
 
Yhwach needs more feats or just something to scale him by with that being said toneri should bag him as of now with TSB.
 
as far as we know Toneri can't use TSB, also yhwach's feat is much more casuel then toneri's moon splitter, after all toneri needed full strength to pull it off and it was his absolute strongest attack, while Yhwach was raiseing the vandenraich without even neading to flick a finger....
 
Illuminati478 said:
as far as we know Toneri can't use TSB, also yhwach's feat is much more casuel then toneri's moon splitter, after all toneri needed full strength to pull it off and it was his absolute strongest attack, while Yhwach was raiseing the vandenraich without even neading to flick a finger....
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You act as if Toneri cutting through the moon was something that required a lot of effort. It was a very casual attack seeing how he could do use the same attack repeatedly with no effort. Yhwach reconstructing the Vandenraich doesn't have anything to do with his attack power. That was more akin to telekinesis, which wouldn't bother Toneri really. And yes, Toneri can use TSBs to negate/atomize Yhwach's attacks. Anyways, this match is too early because Yhwach lacks the power to kill Toneri and we don't have a weakness to The Almighty.
 
Massively Hypersonic + probably higher. He absorbed Mimihagi who travelled the distance it took MH+ 6 hours ish to do, in minutes. Possibly Sub Relatavistic in my opinion from that. But take MH+
 
Non-Bias said:
You act as if Toneri cutting through the moon was something that required a lot of effort. It was a very casual attack seeing how he could do use the same attack repeatedly with no effort. Yhwach reconstructing the Vandenraich doesn't have anything to do with his attack power. That was more akin to telekinesis, which wouldn't bother Toneri really. And yes, Toneri can use TSBs to negate/atomize Yhwach's attacks. Anyways, this match is too early because Yhwach lacks the power to kill Toneri and we don't have a weakness to The Almighty.
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The power he lacks? He's possibly 5-B and his casual energy output is Continent+, add Yamamoto's 15,000,000 degrees and the likely speed Advantage + Almighty and the ability to take all of Toneri's powers with Sankt Altar and Yhwach pretty much stomps all over him.
 
Yes it is, but the gap between the two points of the moon is also ridiculous, putt at 50km, when I beleive that it shows them stood on either side, opposite each other and the gap is like, 100 meters at most.
 
So he would've used less effort to cut through it then? If that's so Toneri's profile needs to be updated
 
Yhwach is casually continent level with what exactly? Even if he is, Toneri has TSBs that destroy everything they touch via atomization, which includes Sankt Altar (which could easily be dodged by the way). Toneri can also absorb Yhwach's attacks.

What speed advantage? The Mimihaga thing isn't a good feat because there's no timeframe and there's no stated distance from the Soul Society and the Royal Palace.

YYamamoto's Bankai is around small country level iirc and that's not bothering Toneri, especially with his TSB defence.

And the Naruto moon isn't all hollowed out. The Shinobi Alliance scanned the moon and they didn't even see the area where it was hollowed out, which shows how small the village was. Toneri was even confident that they wouldn't find him iirc.
 
The naruto moon seems bigger than ours and has been said to have earth like gravity or oxygen from what I recall right?
 
Non-Bias said:
Yhwach is casually continent level with what exactly? Even if he is, Toneri has TSBs that destroy everything they touch via atomization, which includes Sankt Altar (which could easily be dodged by the way). Toneri can also absorb Yhwach's attacks.
What speed advantage? The Mimihaga thing isn't a good feat because there's no timeframe and there's no stated distance from the Soul Society and the Royal Palace.

YYamamoto's Bankai is around small country level iirc and that's not bothering Toneri, especially with his TSB defence.

And the Naruto moon isn't all hollowed out. The Shinobi Alliance scanned the moon and they didn't even see the area where it was hollowed out. Toneri was even confident that they wouldn't find him iirc.
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He's continent+ level with this and he is even possibly beyond Continent by being powerscaled to the Planet level Soul King he absorbed and took all the power of.


The speed advantage of knowing MH+ Ichigo took 6 hours. Now, when Ichigo went through those Barrier, the SK palace could be accessed unrestricted for 1 Hour and 40 minutes, that's how long the barrier came down. Mimigahi went to the palace before Urahara made the Gates. Those Gates only can work, when the barrier is still down. Meaning that Mimihagi probably went there approximately half way through the time period. But lets lowball it to 1 and 40 minutes-which is impossible, because it would leave Urahara 0 time. He did in 1 hour and 40 minutes, the same distance that Ichigo did in about 6 hours. He is over 4X the speed of a Quad Digit Mach character. He's definately faster than Toneri. the hand that is.


Small Country level, but it's still a Bankai that burns from existence all that it cuts and can be used to distract, injure and more.


It has a country within it, with their own seas. I cannot say how Hollow it is, but it is Hollow to a degree.
 
Oh also, Toneri is unable to absorb Jutsu, never mind Reiatsu, Reishi and Reiryoku. He uses the Tenseigan, not the Rinnegan. The Tenseigan gives TSB, A special cloaked mode, slight control over gravity on a small scale. And of course, the chakra blast and moon slicing attack.
 
Non-Bias said:
Yhwach is casually continent level with what exactly? Even if he is, Toneri has TSBs that destroy everything they touch via atomization, which includes Sankt Altar (which could easily be dodged by the way). Toneri can also absorb Yhwach's attacks.
What speed advantage? The Mimihaga thing isn't a good feat because there's no timeframe and there's no stated distance from the Soul Society and the Royal Palace.

YYamamoto's Bankai is around small country level iirc and that's not bothering Toneri, especially with his TSB defence.

And the Naruto moon isn't all hollowed out. The Shinobi Alliance scanned the moon and they didn't even see the area where it was hollowed out, which shows how small the village was. Toneri was even confident that they wouldn't find him iirc.
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his casually continent level via raising the vanderich to the royal palace, even if you say its telekenisis (which is pure speculation on your part), its still a feat and it still required energy, saying tonery's TSB is some unavoidable undefendable attack is pure wank, it is no such thing it could A) be dodged B) be counterd by one of yhwach's too long to name Arsenal of abilities, you gave sankt Altar, which is actually not a bad way to counter it, and there quite a few more, and C) Yhwach Almighty Ability can render it usless against him and then use it himself against toneri, as far as we know Almighty either cant affect godly dieties or Yhwach's own Blood line and toneri doesn't fit into any one of those, also the moon splliter wasn't some casual feat, and at very least not as casual as Yhwach lifting the vanderiech, which even had slightly higher energy output for every instance that the vandenriech buildings were moving then toneri's entire feat from begining till end.

honestly people say Yhwach Almighty is wanked to much, But TSB comes off as an ultimate unstoppable attack and no one is saying a thing, well just another of the privliges the naruto franchise gets that other franchises are never going to recieve, as an unbiesed contributor it is painful to watch...
 
Can we just post-pone these type of battles until bleach is officially over. It seems as though this thread might end in/continue as a flamming war...
 
Illuminati478 said:
Non-Bias said:
Yhwach is casually continent level with what exactly? Even if he is, Toneri has TSBs that destroy everything they touch via atomization, which includes Sankt Altar (which could easily be dodged by the way). Toneri can also absorb Yhwach's attacks.
What speed advantage? The Mimihaga thing isn't a good feat because there's no timeframe and there's no stated distance from the Soul Society and the Royal Palace.

YYamamoto's Bankai is around small country level iirc and that's not bothering Toneri, especially with his TSB defence.

And the Naruto moon isn't all hollowed out. The Shinobi Alliance scanned the moon and they didn't even see the area where it was hollowed out, which shows how small the village was. Toneri was even confident that they wouldn't find him iirc.
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his casually continent level via raising the vanderich to the royal palace, even if you say its telekenisis (which is pure speculation on your part), its still a feat and it still required energy, saying tonery's TSB is some unavoidable undefendable attack is pure wank, it is no such thing it could A) be dodged B) be counterd by one of yhwach's too long to name Arsenal of abilities, you gave sankt Altar, which is actually not a bad way to counter it, and there quite a few more, and C) Yhwach Almighty Ability can render it usless against him and then use it himself against toneri, as far as we know Almighty either cant affect godly dieties or Yhwach's own Blood line and toneri doesn't fit into any one of those, also the moon splliter wasn't some casual feat, and at very least not as casual as Yhwach lifting the vanderiech, which even had slightly higher energy output for every instance that the vandenriech buildings were moving then toneri's entire feat from begining till end.
honestly people say Yhwach Almighty is wanked to much, But TSB comes off as an ultimate unstoppable attack and no one is saying a thing, well just another of the privliges the naruto franchise gets that other franchises are never going to recieve, as an unbiesed contributor it is painful to watch...
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You should read more carefully before you quote people. Nowhere did I state that TSBs are a unbeatable, unavoidable attack that would effect Yhwach. I simply stated that they can be used to negate/atomize his attacks which is what they do. And then you basically called me a wanker even though you made your own assumption about my post haha. That's fine, but TSBs can still do what I said above regarding Yhwach's techniques. And if you want to apply inverse logic regarding The Almighty, Toneri can't be hurt unless Yhwach has Senjutsu.
 
Toneri is not the 10 Tails Jinchuriki and a Rinnegan user. He can be caught unaware and hit by strong Physical or spiitual attacks.
 
@ Non-Bias I generally make it a point not to call people names, its rude and impolite, and it would indicate much worse things about me than it would about you if i did, i apologize if you were offanded in anyway.

What I meant was that TSB ability to atomize will only take affect if it's countered by a stronger attack, and to be honest most of Yhwach's attacks right now would be stronger than TSB's potency, at least if its a TSB from Ttoneri, generally Ijust hate that in every debate between high end naruto characters, people's argument of why the high-end Naruto character would win is because TSB when there is much more to a battle than that, even our general way of discerning the winners of these battles is generally lacking components such as comparing combat experience, intelligence and over ingenuity, things that in my opinion are prudent.
 
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