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Bill Cipher vs Giratina

I know this thread is a bit old, but still.

I don't know a thing about Bill, but looking at his profile, I don't see a way of how Giratina can cope with his Regenerationn excepto BFR. That said, Bill those have Soul Removal, and that might give him the edge. The rest of their abilities cancel each other, so...

The only way I see Giratina is with BFR, but Bill has a higher chance thanks to soul removal.

My vote goes for Bill.
 
Oh! Forgot Giratina has the ability Telepathy. Bill apparently doesn't have resistance to it (or isn't listed), so... Yeah, scratch the last comment, I think Giratina wins. Telepathy reduces the chance of Bill actually hitting with his Soul Removal. Giratina BFR and it's over.
 
Well, Low 2-C bill has resistance to reality warping and space time manipulation and low godly regen. Does Giratina have anything get past that?
 
The power negation Giratina has is regarded to Regenerationn, it's the move heal block and it's highest feat was negating low high regen, not close to Bill's low godly. Also, acasuality and heal block is for 2-B Giratina, not low 2-C, with that in mind, Bill wins due to Regen.
 
No. Giratina's Power Negation, by the explanation and picture cited, is for, with his pressence, Dialga and Palkia not recreating de Universe.

Algo, Giratina has every power in his sealed form, except physics manipulation and non-corporeal, which are from his unsealed state.
 
Bill, as well, doesn't have resistance to Causality Manip (but this I don't know how Giratina uses it). Giratina can go for BFR into the Distortion World, and incap. Dialga needed help from Shaymin to escape. I don't really see Bill escaping from there. Specially with Sealing via Anti-Matter.
 
Bill's inter-universal travel to allow him to escape the Distortion World before he's sealed. As for the power negation, I'm unsure to what to degree of power negation he displays (I reread the page and saw two forms of power negation, i.e heal block and something to do with negating the effects of the Red Chain)), could you possibly elaborate on what level of power negation he has?
 
@Ever. No, it was established that he had his rege due to being shot by a weapon created by Ford that has existence erasure and was confirmed by the Gravity Falls Novel that it was designed to erase Bill from existence.
 
"His basic fighting distorts casual law"

Exact same as Bill, who's entrance upon destroyed the laws of reality.

"Also, Giratina has like, ten different ways to bypass Low godly regen" please elaborate
 
Platinum pokédex entry for Dialga: A legendary Pokémon of Sinnoh. It is said that time flows when Dialga's heart beats.


Platinum pokédex entry for Palkia: A legendary Pokémon of Sinnoh. It is said that space becomes more stable with Palkia's every breath.

I don't understand Giratina's Power Negation that well either, but he essentially negated the combined effort of those two to recreate the Universe with his sole presence.

And I doubt Bill could really escape from the Distortion World. Not only because the Distortion World is Giratina itself, but because, again, sealing via Anti-Matter.
 
@Peppy

Has Bill transformed anyone on his level? And besides, this is the literal concept of antimatter given physical form... Could he even do it? And WILL he do it? And more importantly, can he do it before Giratina seals him? It does like to drag anything to the Distortion World and fight there.
 
Cipher also has no resistance to Soul Manipulation, so Giratina could easily destroy his spirit.

Because each member of the Creation Trio is able to destroy all emotion and spirit of reality.

"The Pokémon have come to protect Sinnoh? Pathetic and worthless. It takes the three of them, the three lake Pokémon that symbolize spirit, to balance either the Pokémon of time or space. But they can't maintain balance against the two. Not when both Dialga and Palkia are here. Their coming here is in vain. So much meaningless drama. Now, <player>. You've constantly interfered with my plans, but you will be forgiven. After all, there will remain no spirit for all time when I am done. ''All spirit will disappear. It will be ripped away... From you! From your Pokémon! From those precious to you...!'' It is time! My dream will be my reality!"
 
Yes. It does. And considering a weakened Palkia was inadvertently erasing a universe with his presence alone...(I recently reread a summary on Rise of Darkrai. Apparently that's what was happening. The fighting of Dialga/Palkia just accelerated the process)it's gonna hit like a truck. Plus, the fact that his BFR is good enough to keep people who can casually create portals stuck in his realm is amazing.

Bill's three biggest things, space, time, and antimatter, will be do nothing as Dialga and Palkia have far greater control over them, and Giratina's existence counters matter stuff, if not, even more.

Also, I figured out recently that Shadow Force, if hits, has a 50% chance of making the next move the opponent uses, with both, the attack itself and all effects, do literally nothing. And Giratina's basic effing with causality will skew those effects.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
@Peppy
Has Bill transformed anyone on his level? And besides, this is the literal concept of antimatter given physical form... Could he even do it? And WILL he do it? And more importantly, can he do it before Giratina seals him? It does like to drag anything to the Distortion World and fight there.
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Okay I changed my vote to Giratina via what Neo said.

But still.

1. What does being on the same level or have to do with just simply transforming something? That's like saying "Light Yagami wouldn't be able to kill a 1-A human character with the Death Note because he's on a lower level." If he ever got the chance to use it the Death Note would kill them no matter what level they're on. The levels aren't relevant.

2. I'm sorry but I don't know anything about antimatter.

3. Bill can access to many other different reailties so couldn't he just travel to another realm?

I also wanna say that I like both verses just in case someone calls out bias on me.
 
@Peppy

Haha, don't worry about the bias thing.

1. No, the Death Note wouldn't work on an 1-A being if it haven't shown the capability to do so. While hax doesn't (usually) care about tiers, it does have to show that it works on people of equal, or even greater power. Specially someone like Giratina.

2. Antimatter is basically the opposite of matter. When the two come in contact, they annihilate each other, releasing energy.

3. Dialga can do that too, but still couldn't escape the Distortion World.
 
1. Just because we haven't seen it happen in the show before doesn't mean it's not possible. Why would the writers want to make a list saying "The Death Note works on humans who can destroy buildings, city blocks, multiple city blocks, towns, cities, mountains" ETC.

2. Okay. Thank you for the defination! :)

3. That's because Dialga is the perfect size for Giratina to drag it back in. If he get caught by Giratina, he'll teleport his way out.

It wouldn't matter how powerful Giratina is Bill could still turn him into decoration.
 
@Peppy

About 1 and that last statement: That's the literal definition of No Limits Fallacy.

3. Once caught, he would already be in Distortion World. And Giratina has no issue fighting little oponents. Shaymin is like 40 centimeters (although Gira didn't wanted to hurt her, just wanted she to wore off the time warp Dialga applied because of her).
 
Bill's transformation ability does have limits though. It can only transform things obviously he can't do anything without limits with it. Well wether you believe he can only turn things into banners only or not Giratina still wouldn't be able to do anything after being turned into banners because banners can't do anything.

3. What scenario are we thinking of here exactly?

A If Giratina is trapping him inside the Distortion World and just leaving him there. Bill will just open a portal to get out.

B If Giratina is doing what it did to Dialga yeah well he can still open a portal, teleport to it, then escape or he might actually turn it into decoration to stop Giratina from dragging him back in. He would probably do anything to escape.

C If they're just gonna countinue to fight there then why would Bill even need to try to escape?

I still think Giratina can win even though we don't know how Giratina destroys souls because we haven't see it do that. However Bill can still turn Giratina into DECORATION! (Had to do that lol! xD)
 
Again, Dialga could open portals by himself and still couldn't escape without the help of Shaymin. What makes you think Bill can?

And we actually know how the Creation Trio destroy souls. Recreating the universe and erasing the concepts that makes it (Lake Trio).
 
AHEM. Clearly you didn't read my comment properly.

B If Giratina is doing what it did to Dialga yeah well he can still open a portal, teleport to it, then escape
 
Assuming he can even pull that off. Again, I don't think Bill can actually transmute Giratina. You still need a bit of proof for that one.
 
http://**********.me/Cartoon/Gravity-Falls-Season-02/Episode-20?id=68659&s=openload at 22:59

I don't need more proof. Just because we've only seen it work against 10-B tiered beings doesn't mean the effects wont work on tier Low 2-C beings because that arguement is bullshit.

If you're just gonna that same arguement over and over again then I don't even see what the point of responding to you.

So just GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL!
 
First of all, chill.

Second, it's absolutely true that affecting a 3D being doesn't even remotely translate into being able to affect a 4D one to the same extent. A dimensional difference isn't just being stronger.

It's being unfathomably more complex to the point were the lower dimensional being is functionally nonexistant.

Do you think that a drawing of Bill would be able to hax you to death? Because the difference is the same
 
URGH. This site's horrible tiering system. But since I can't argue about it here. Ask me on Deviantart if you wanna know how I really feel about the tiering system.
 
If you think that it's bad, nobody forces you to debate here. There are other sites for vs debating.
 
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