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Giratina vs Darkseid

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hmm Looking at the files. Giratina has antimatter and Durability Negation so I'd give it to him for those reasons.
 
So is Space-Time Manipulation and Reality Warping along with many other of Giratina's abilities.
 
Possibly. I dunno. I just read what's on the Durability Negation Page. It depends on their level of manipulation...I guess.
 
depends on how it is used, I mean, matter manipulation applied to combat can... transform someone into water, air (simple applications, that is) so if the user isnt resistant to this (like in sains seiya, where everyone is), yes, it is a negating conventional durability. Reality warping and Space-time manipulation serve as well.

About whis and vados: they have never shown to do such a thing in combat, so it shouldnt be assumed they can use it this way (iirc whis rearranged goku's and vegeta's clothes, vados created the arena in the neutral planet...).

If anything, I vote for Giratina, for reasons already stated.
 
PaChi2 said:
depends on how it is used, I mean, matter manipulation applied to combat can... transform someone into water, air (simple applications, that is) so if the user isnt resistant to this (like in sains seiya, where everyone is), yes, it is a negating conventional durability. Reality warping and Space-time manipulation serve as well.
About whis and vados: they have never shown to do such a thing in combat, so it shouldnt be assumed they can use it this way (iirc whis rearranged goku's and vegeta's clothes, vados created the arena in the neutral planet...).

If anything, I vote for Giratina, for reasons already stated.
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Has Giratina shown any of this though?
 
Conventional Matter manipulation won't work on a 4-D level btw. Neither would anti-matter manipulation (All the people who voted because of these reasons shouldn't count)

However, that said, I still have to give it to Giratina, for his causality manipulation and acausality, as Darkseid's 2-B form lacks any real important hax.
 
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