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So I've been looking around the Earthbound/Mother 3 pages and there's a few upgrades/downgrades that might have to be made.
1. The cast of EBB is currently only building level. This is due to scaling to their enemies but there's no implication they are Building level with the exception of maybe the possesed trucks they fight (I'm not actually sure if a truck is even Buidling level). Even though I believe the EBB cast to be way above Building level (see bellow) this might have to be revised for the sake of accuracy.
2. The EBB cast fights groups of enemies called "Titanians" towards the end of the game. This enemy also appear in M3 towards the end of the game. So this means the EBB cast could scale to the M3 cast (currently Mountain level). But since the games take place in a different universe (I think) and in M3 there's still a chapter left for them to fight the Mountain level enemies, it might not be the case. This should be discussed. It should be noted that the Titanians have the same japanese name and a very similar sprite.
3. Ness in EB is currently City level pre-eight melodies while the rest of the chosen four are Mountain level. The reasonning being that they fight enemies like the Kraken and the Nuclear Reactor Robot. However, there's a few problems with this:
- The Kraken doesn't really showcase any evidence of this level of power. He's portrayed as very big but the scene he's in is very inconsistent with size (palm trees almost as big as volcanoes, the ship changes from person-size to volcano size across cutscenes etc.)
- The Nuclear Reactor Robots are described as nukes in the official Earthbound players guide which is probably where the City-level Ness comes from. But he doesn't fight them pre-melodies, only after. Altough the rest of the cast certainly does without the eight melodies upgrade (which is exclusive to Ness) so they'd definetly scale to the robots.
- The jump from City to Mountain level has no evidence. It could be because the cast at the end of the game > pre-melodies Ness. But as I've pointed out there's no evidence pre-melodies Ness is City level in the first place. The robots are fought towards the end of the game anyway so the rest of the cast is probably City level at best.
This could downgrade pre-melodies Ness and the rest of the cast (but not post-melodies Ness). Since the cast of M3 scale to Porky and therefore the cast of EB, they'd get a downgrade too.
4. On the brigther side of things the cast of EB (and therefore EBB and M3) could get a speed upgrade. The EB cast's MHS speed comes from them being able to react to natural lightning in a rough calc I did (scroll down). However, I used 10 m as a distance when fighting when this is highly unlikely and a serious lowball. The cast of EB attack their enemies physically most of the time (punches, baseball bats, pans) so it's very likely they'd be 1 m or even closer to their enemies when fighting. This would put the calc at MHS+ (as I've pointed out in the calc).
The lowball was used but this is a serious lowball considering no one is 10 m away from their enemies when fighting physically so I think the 1 m calc should be used instead.
Thanks for your time.
1. The cast of EBB is currently only building level. This is due to scaling to their enemies but there's no implication they are Building level with the exception of maybe the possesed trucks they fight (I'm not actually sure if a truck is even Buidling level). Even though I believe the EBB cast to be way above Building level (see bellow) this might have to be revised for the sake of accuracy.
2. The EBB cast fights groups of enemies called "Titanians" towards the end of the game. This enemy also appear in M3 towards the end of the game. So this means the EBB cast could scale to the M3 cast (currently Mountain level). But since the games take place in a different universe (I think) and in M3 there's still a chapter left for them to fight the Mountain level enemies, it might not be the case. This should be discussed. It should be noted that the Titanians have the same japanese name and a very similar sprite.
3. Ness in EB is currently City level pre-eight melodies while the rest of the chosen four are Mountain level. The reasonning being that they fight enemies like the Kraken and the Nuclear Reactor Robot. However, there's a few problems with this:
- The Kraken doesn't really showcase any evidence of this level of power. He's portrayed as very big but the scene he's in is very inconsistent with size (palm trees almost as big as volcanoes, the ship changes from person-size to volcano size across cutscenes etc.)
- The Nuclear Reactor Robots are described as nukes in the official Earthbound players guide which is probably where the City-level Ness comes from. But he doesn't fight them pre-melodies, only after. Altough the rest of the cast certainly does without the eight melodies upgrade (which is exclusive to Ness) so they'd definetly scale to the robots.
- The jump from City to Mountain level has no evidence. It could be because the cast at the end of the game > pre-melodies Ness. But as I've pointed out there's no evidence pre-melodies Ness is City level in the first place. The robots are fought towards the end of the game anyway so the rest of the cast is probably City level at best.
This could downgrade pre-melodies Ness and the rest of the cast (but not post-melodies Ness). Since the cast of M3 scale to Porky and therefore the cast of EB, they'd get a downgrade too.
4. On the brigther side of things the cast of EB (and therefore EBB and M3) could get a speed upgrade. The EB cast's MHS speed comes from them being able to react to natural lightning in a rough calc I did (scroll down). However, I used 10 m as a distance when fighting when this is highly unlikely and a serious lowball. The cast of EB attack their enemies physically most of the time (punches, baseball bats, pans) so it's very likely they'd be 1 m or even closer to their enemies when fighting. This would put the calc at MHS+ (as I've pointed out in the calc).
The lowball was used but this is a serious lowball considering no one is 10 m away from their enemies when fighting physically so I think the 1 m calc should be used instead.
Thanks for your time.
