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Kaguya vs a giant purple talking cat

Beerus smacks Kaguya. The only Kaguya that even comes close to Beerus is Storm 4 Kaguya with her Universal Pocket Dimension busting ETSO.
 
He'll dodge ash bone since he has UIO, BFR doesn't matter because he'll hakai long before she does it to him, and even if she pulls it off he can probably pull a vice shout or bust her entire dimension really.

Genjutsu won't work since he's 4-D. I've never heard of a 5-C affecting a Low 2-C with their mind hax.
 
He isn't 4-D. Being tier 2 doesn't make you 4D at all.

Still, he can easily slap her before she gets the chance to pull it off. She can do it on thought, but prefers to do it planet wide which needs her to fly up to the moon.

She could potentially win, but she won't in character.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
He'll dodge ash bone since he has UIO, BFR doesn't matter because he'll hakai long before she does it to him, and even if she pulls it off he can probably pull a vice shout or bust her entire dimension really.
Genjutsu won't work since he's 4-D. I've never heard of a 5-C affecting a Low 2-C with their mind hax.
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his ui isnt passive and not perfect. Beerus has never done that. Beerus need mind resistance to beat it.
 
Ash Bones still needs to stab through enemies, or at least there isn't any proof otherwise. That is out too.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
He isn't 4-D. Being tier 2 doesn't make you 4D at all.
Still, he can easily slap her before she gets the chance to pull it off. She can do it on thought, but prefers to do it planet wide which needs her to fly up to the moon.

She could potentially win, but she won't in character.
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Agree that Kaguya loses. but you dont need to fly to the moon to use infinite tsukuyomi.

Madara did that in order to awaken Rinne-sharingan to use infinite tsukuyomi.

Obito was gonne use the divine tree to use infinite tsukuyomi and we all know the divine tree wasnt gonna fly to the moon.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Beerus smacks Kaguya. The only Kaguya that even comes close to Beerus is Storm 4 Kaguya with her Universal Pocket Dimension busting ETSO.
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Her dimension in game isnt really proven universal it only contained multiple stars but she did destroyed it with herself in it and came back out of nothing which is some low/mid godly regen. dont know if hakai surpass this
 
If I'm not mistaken EE kills Low-Godly, but not Mid-Godly as that level is usually attained by coming back from EE.
 
I mean, Madara didn't literally fly to the moon either, only a few kilometers closer from what we could tell. Still, some level of closeness is obviously needed, which gives the cat the time he needs to say no to it.

Since TSB isn't accepted to destroy souls, she only has Low-Godly at best, and Hakai does erase souls. So Hakai kills her if used on her.

If it wasn't in character for Beerus, this would be an argument, but as things are now, not really.
 
I mean, the gag characters from arale are immortal (they are shown literally coming back from dying, and there is a skit between Frieza and some guy where Freeza keeps killing him and the dudes keeps coming back).

The thing only really worked for Zamasu because a 2-C dragon kept him going.
 
Kaguya was able to use IT with his Byakugan amplifying the range, and remembering that there was no Moon before . That was how his disagreements started with his children.
And Madara used it in Obito.

Overall, Beerus has a much better chance of winning.
Kaguya at most has the IT.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
I mean, the gag characters from arale are immortal (they are shown literally coming back from dying, and there is a skit between Frieza and some guy where Freeza keeps killing him and the dudes keeps coming back).
The thing only really worked for Zamasu because a 2-C dragon kept him going.
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Beerus didn't say "I can't kill Zamasu because a 2-C dragon is reviving him", he just bluntly said, "Hakai doesn't work on immortals". As for the gag thing, I'm not familiar with Arale or her manga so can't really comment, though that only happened in the anime as far as I remember. And I just checked, it's said in both the manga and anime that Hakai can't kill immortals.
 
I would say it is inconclusive.

The difference is massive enough for Beerus to blow her up with punches, but she would not die and would regenerate.
I don't think energy bursts would work in Kaguya. It is invulnerable to energy attacks that have no natural energy.

I think the biggest thing here, would be Beerus to use Hakai.
Or Kaguya to use IT.
 
You can't take and blanket all immortality és to be equal. She regenerates from any damage done, but Otsotsuki can still actually die despite this.

She has type 1 (Eternal youth), 3 (regenerative) and maybe 6 (parasitic) immortality. She has no proof of regenerating from her soul being erased either, which Hakai would do.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
You can't take and blanket all immortality és to be equal. She regenerates from any damage done, but Otsotsuki can still actually die despite this.
She has type 1 (Eternal youth), 3 (regenerative) and maybe 6 (parasitic) immortality. She has no proof of regenerating from her soul being erased either, which Hakai would do.
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I'm not saying all immortalities are equal, infact some are exceedingly better than others, but Beerus doesn't make a distinction, he just says immortality in general. He's clearly stating that people who are immortal in general can't be killed by Hakai. This statement is as clear as it gets, Beerus can't kill immortal people with Hakai, trying to find deeper meanings in his words just so Hakai doesn't get downgraded seems a little weird.

Though you're right about the soul part, so I guess Hakai would work on her, but if she had soul regen on the level of her normal regen then it would be possible to argue it couldn't work.

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Firstly, bring that to a crt onve the move is done.

Secondly, him not specifying doesn't mean all immortals are immune. She can heal fast, potentially body snatch, and doesn't age. Regenerationn is rarely viewed as immortality,body snatching is never really accepted as proper immortality, and you can't tell me you think that someone that doesn't age (like Piccolo, now that I think about it) is immune to Hakai.
 
That's manga only. Which is why Manga Zamasu has Mid-Godly Regenerationn, while the anime only has Mid-High.

None of this was ever stated or implied in the anime.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
That's manga only.
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The statement above is yes

But according to a quick google search (I cba finding the episode or watching it) Goku says he doesn't think Hakai would work on immortals in the Anime and Whis pretty much confirms this by suggesting they seal instead.
 
"Immortality" in Dragon Ball is usually referred to immortality granted by the Dragon Balls.

For example Piccolo and Buu wouldn't be considered "Immortal" in the same way as Zamasu, as that level of immortality was granted by the Dragon. It's not very logical, but that's sort of how it's treated. If anything this should upgrade Zamasu's Regenerationn/Immortality, not downgrade Hakai imo.
 
TOAAPRESENCE1 said:
Only type of imortality i see in DBS is just living long and regen and thats about it
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Types 1,2, and 3 are just the most common forms of Immortality in fiction generally speaking anyway.
 
I honestly don't see how you can interpret such a direct statement from Beerus himself in so many different ways, who by all accounts should be one of the most knowledgeable characters in the verse when it comes to Hakai. Regardless, if Beerus Hakai's Kaguya here she's toast given that her soul will be erased.
 
It's a simple premise Purgy. If Beerus can't kill Zamasu with EE then that means Zamasu has Mid-Godly Regenerationn. It's also supported by the fact that his immortality was granted to him by a Nigh-Omnipotent (By Dragon Ball standards obviously) wish granting Dragon. We know the Dragon is pretty high on the God Hierarchy since he can undo Erasure made by Zeno (Who can also Erase Zamasu), and restore the Multiverse.

Anyway I guess you can make a CRT after the move if you want, and we'll see how it goes. It might be interesting.
 
What is this match? Can't believe someone made a match like this, they should actually consider scaling the characters first.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
He isn't 4-D. Being tier 2 doesn't make you 4D at all.

Still, he can easily slap her before she gets the chance to pull it off. She can do it on thought, but prefers to do it planet wide which needs her to fly up to the moon.

She could potentially win, but she won't in character.
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You have proof for this? Lol
 
Mulgara said:
What is this match? Can't believe someone made a match like this, they should actually consider scaling the characters first.
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This is a fun & game threads so is not to be taken seriously really.
 
For what? Being able to use IT without the moon is the first time we see it used as on Obito, by Madara.

And if you think that Beerus is immune to mind manipulation due to raw power... no.
 
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