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(GRACE) Battle between 2 self-proclamed gods that end things from destroying everything

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Jamesthetaker said:
So, most of Mechi passive abilities got nulled because of Monika Nonexistent Physiology, what can he do before she delete?
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She doesen't start with Non-Existence, she initially exists, she becomes non-existent only after being killed/erased.

Monika starts with Plot Manip and EE via data manip
 
Eganergo said:
She can't delete higher dimensional being.
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Mechikabura isn't Higher-D, since he got sealed from Trunks, he doesen't even have Large Size
 
As far as I know his Void Manip is just his Absorption in which he creates a Black Hole like thing to BFR the opponent, and it doesn't have any feats of sucking in Nonexistence beings.
 
Fair enough, I figured it would be the Black Hole absorption but thought there might be something else I was unaware of. Would his passive statistics reduction be something to consider? If he can't interact with her, then I don't see a wincon. He also has type 8 immortality apparently, so can Monika do something about that?
 
I don't think EE is a factor here, he already resists it in his weakest state before getting type 8. As for plothax, I can see it happening.

Though, I do want to bring up my following thoughts; I only just realised that Monika exists at the start, and becomes non-existent after death/erasure, so what's stopping Mechikabura from absorbing and calling it a day? If she starts existent, then she'd likely get absorbed passively. Can she plot manip within Mechikabura himself? Monika can erase beings across all of space-time, erasing them from history itself, and Mechikabura was absorbing timelines/history itself and would eventually absorb *all* of it. Only reason he didn't is because he was halted by the gang.

I can see her using plot manip to change what happens *before* she gets absorbed, but I don't see how she'll do anything if she's taken into Mechikabura himself. I'm not sure on how this will play out.
 
His Absorption is very likely not Passive, it's clearly not Passive in the Manga, and in the Game it's not even described how it works.
 
If his Absorption isn't passive then Monika would likely use plothax first.

Also, how strong is his resistance to EE, btw?
 
His profile states that he has passive absorption, but looking at the linked scan, Chronoa only states that he's absorbing time, no implication that it's passive. So yeah, we can assume it's likely not passive (and they should probably update that on the profile, unless there's an actual implication that it's passive).

Not particularly sure on the scale of his resistance to EE, he upscales from characters like Goku who can resist EE.
 
Correct me if i'm wrong but most of Monika matches, people seem to assume that she start as Nonexistent Physiology. Nobody were arguing that she initially exists, and only becomes one after being killed/erased.
 
I think this is incon because Mechi can't interact with a non-existent, but Monika can't do anything about his type 8. The problem is that the time he has absorbed is on a 2-B scale, which Monika has never demonstrated the capability to affect.
 
He can't affect Monika due to her non-existent, he is still a 3-D with 4-D power so unless it's demonstrated that he can resist 4-D plothax, Monika wins this in every possible way.
 
The only demonstration of 4D plothax is when Monika was deleting character saves, she has no showings of dealing with 4D type 8. She doesn't have the range to erase him.
 
Mechi isn't 4-D, his Higher-D existence should be removed long ago and he still got sealed by Trunk. Also, her plothax have been demonstrate more than just delete character saves.
 
It was agreed that as he was absorbing Time into his body that he should have Higher Dimensional Existence, and Trunks could seal him because the Sword had 4-D power from the Supreme Kai of Time.
 
^ Was about to summarise this myself.

Anyway, Monika does not have the range to affect type 8 on Mechikabura's scale, and Mechi cannot interact with her non-existent.

This is likely incon.
 
Does Mechi being 4-D even matter? Literally every powers he had got nulled because of Monika non-existent and since he isn't omnipresence or anything, plothax still work just fine.
 
He isn't omnipresent, but the time he absorbed (the reason for his type 8) is on a 2-B scale, which again, Monika has not demonstrated the capability to deal with. Implying she could would be a NLF.
 
It's his abilities that have 2-B range, and if he himself cannot avoid being plothaxxed then what the point of using it? It said on his profile that as long he keep absorbing time then Monika won't have the capability to deal with. If his Absorption isn't passive like above then Monika would take the first chance to strike before Mechi can.
 
His Immortality isn't from Absorbing Time, it's from his Absorbed Timelines, of which there are a 2-B amount of in his Pocket Dimension.
 
What can those amount of timelines do if he can't even prevent Monika from plothax at first glance? Immortality is useless here.
 
She hasn't demonstrated the ability to affect a 4D being on a 2-B level.

Besides, Monika erases timelines by deleting the save files. Also, it didn't work on the Player, who notably also has Higher Dimensional Existence.
 
That's untrue, 4-D hax can still affect 2-B or 2-A characters even if they're physically stronger than you by infinity. Unless said character can resist or have ability allow them to avoid it then AP mean nothing in this matches. Also, you're underestimate her plothax it isn't just deleting save files, she control the game script and manipulation events that happen in the game.

The Player resist Monika plothax and Mechi doesn't, simple as that.
 
It's not about the AP, it's about the 2-B timelines he's absorbed. Again, she hasn't demonstrated the capability to affect that level. His type 8 is from the 2-B timelines, so she can't do anything to put him down.

Anyway, is Monika capable of escaping Mechikabura's absorption? The same absorption that can assimilate 2-B timelines. If he absorbs her, then she's not dead, so she is still existent, but if she can't escape then it might as well be a BFR. So, wincon for Mechi?
 
Those 2-B timelines he absorbed inside his Pocket Dimension, outside of that Monika can still affect him and Mechi immortality is useless against plothax.

Does Mechi can absorb non-existent being? No, she literally doesn't have a body or anything for him to absorbed. Like i said above, Monika use her power right off the bat so Mechi won't have chances to do anything else.
 
Yeah, no. Monika, again, hasn't demonstrated the capability to affect 2-B timelines (which, again, is what his type 8 immortality is reliant on). So she isn't putting him down.

Monika starts out existent, she only has non-existence after death/erasure. So Mechikabura ca harm and/or absorb her. If he kills her (which he can without effort), she then becomes non-existent, and from then on, Mechi cannot interact with her. At that point, it should be an incon.

However, if he absorbs her (instead of killing her), then I need to know if she can escape the absorption. His absorption is on a 2-B level, something that is far beyond any of Monika's showings. Absorption is in character for Mechi as well, as he does it to the cast rather than killing them. So he is likely to lead with it.

If she cannot escape the absorption, then Mechi has a wincon. Monika doesn't have a wincon here. At worst, it's an inconclusive match. If Mechi kills her, he can no longer interact with her, but she can't get past his 2-B Type 8. At best, Mechi wins due to absorption that she cannot escape (unless you actually prove to me that she can do it, not just say that she can).
 
Are you voting for Mechikabura then? (I've already changed the vote from incon since seems like yes)
 
I already said this, Monika doesn't need to affect those 2-B timelines to kill Mechi, her plothax can be used for incap which is something Mechi doesn't resist. Unless he is omnipresence on 2-B scale or outside of her range then plothax work just fine.

Nothing say that Monika start as existent, most of her matches have her being non-existence at first place and saying that is like restricting one of her powers.
 
Both sides are arguing Mechikabura wrong. But I'm going to leave one comment and that'll be that cause I feel this is going to turn into a shit show.

Trunks himself couldn't do shit. The Keysword isn't a 4th dimensional "hax", it has 4th dimensional existence to which is protected and blessed Trunks with as well. Normal 3-D beings with 4-D hax, such as Chronoa and Toki-Toki couldn't do shit to him. It was only after the sword pierced and weakened him that he could be affected.

Her plot hax has never shown to affect on Mechi's level of 2-B. You're going to have to prove she has. Otherwise that's a complete NLF. I've played the entire game and seen pretty much all there is to about DDLC, she can't.

She starts as an already existent being. Otherwise I can say all wizards in Wizard101 start Non-Corporeal. Her power to become non-existent is a result of something, so it isn't that it's restricted, it's that it hasn't happened yet. Also, in the manga Mechi successfuly absorbed everything.

Voting Mechi
 
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