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Shulk vs Arceus

Bware1

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"Why should we care. What's important isn't whether you can see the future or not. It's the will to make a choice, and the strength to seize your destiny! Our time has come. Our destiny is our own!"

Arceus M18
"According to the legends of Sinnoh, this Pokémon emerged from an egg and shaped all there is in this world."

Rules: Both Combatants at 2-B
Speed is Equalized

Who Wins and Why?

Shulk:

Arceus:

Inconclusive: 8

Stomp:
 
Well then. This was inevitable ever since Shulk became pretty haxed and before he got Alvis as standard equipment since he is the Monado 3.

Don't know much about Arceus's passives other than his elemental negation but Shulk's current passives are his infamously broken Precognition, Probability Manipulation(Allows Shulk to null a single enemy action), Space-Time Manipulation & Fate Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, Life-Force Absorption, Attack Reflection,Reactive Power Level and Healing.

Just like Shulk's match with Dialga he can easily deal with Type 3 Acausality due to Alvis being omnipresent throughout all of time and space.

So this can easily go like "Precog, thought-based Seal". Won't vote yet as I feel there is a lot more to discuss.
 
Shulk has literally nothing to bypass Arceus' AE type 1, Arceus would stomp even the 2-A Shulk
 
StrymULTRA said:
Shulk has literally nothing to bypass Arceus' AE type 1, Arceus would stomp even the 2-A Shulk
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He can hit Abstracts
 
I'm Blue daba dee daba die said:
Zanza may become an abstract, but for now Llama god stomps
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Abstract Zanza? Now I'm curious, please tell me what ya had in mind.
 
Ok? He still can't damage Arceus

Let's take a look on the Conceptual Manipulation page:

"All Conceptual Manipulators are bound by the use of the power. A character who embodies a concept cannot create, manipulate, or destroy it unless otherwise shown. A character who can create a concept cannot destroy it unless otherwise shown, and vice versa."

So Shulk ain't hitting Arceus and gets hax stomped to oblivion
 
He hasn't Conceptual Manipulation on his profile so no

You do not need conceptual manipulation to hit an abstract, just a good NPI ability.
 
As far as I know, being an Abstract does not automatically allow you to affect Abstracts without feats.
 
MYHERO said:
You do not need conceptual manipulation to hit an abstract, just a good NPI ability.
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A good NPI ability that has actually shown to being able to affect them, and Shulk hasn't that
 
StrymULTRA said:
Ok? He still can't damage Arceus

Let's take a look on the Conceptual Manipulation page:

"All Conceptual Manipulators are bound by the use of the power. A character who embodies a concept cannot create, manipulate, or destroy it unless otherwise shown. A character who can create a concept cannot destroy it unless otherwise shown, and vice versa."

So Shulk ain't hitting Arceus and gets hax stomped to oblivion
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Arceus does not have type 2 of Conceptual either, so using logic that he can't kill Alvis either who can endlessly revive Shulk.
 
A good NPI ability that has actually shown to being able to affect them, and Shulk hasn't that

Yes that is exactly what I said. I don't care about Shulk or who wins this match, I just wanted to clear that up.
 
Again, being an abstract doesen't mean you can kill other ones, it's literally said that in the concept manip page
 
Ok, so Arceus can't kill Shulk, but Shulk can't kill Arceus and can't avoid from being affected from its Mind Hax and Shulk misses resistace to it, or even from being sealed.

So Arceus still stomps
 
StrymULTRA said:
Ok, so Arceus can't kill Shulk, but Shulk can't kill Arceus and can't avoid from being affected from its Mind Hax and Shulk misses resistace to it, or even from being sealed.
So Arceus still stomps
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Passive Precognition and Probability Manipulation stop that from happening. Also he does have resistance to Mind Hax though it's in the form of a Gem
 
Yes they are. Precog is one of the first things listed on Shulk's profile, and Probability Manip on Alvis' under "True Alvis" tab.
 
Bware1 said:
Yes they are. Precog is one of the first things listed on Shulk's profile, and Probability Manip on Alvis' under "True Alvis" tab.
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Checked both and both miss passives
 
They were already agreed upon by knowledgeable members of the verse to be passives.
 
Yeah, that was a question I had to ask, what is Shulk's and Alvis' Ap and Range while in their 2-B Key, how does it work?
 
Countless (As Infinitum)x2 at least, the 300 Million AP was the old one.

And while listing which powers are Passives in the profile is helpful, you don't actually have to do that, as long as the powers are on there.
 
As for Shulk's AP. The Zanza that Shulk Monado 3'ed funny enough as the AP of Countless(As Infinitium)x2 and maybe more.
 
StrymULTRA said:
And until they aren't specifed to be so ON THE PROFILES, they aren't counted as that
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That's not how it works, thier is no rule that says that. Plus plenty of characters who have passives but aren't listed to be so, but have been agreed upon by knowledgable members have had match ups done and added to thier profiles with this in mind. Such as This guy, This guy, and This guy among many others
 
Pretty sure probability manipulation is worthless to someone who created the concept of time and with it only being a facet of Arceus.
 
I don't believe creating the concept of time ever related to Probability Manipulation.
 
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