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Chibigami fights Capes
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Are either of these 2 smurfs?
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Ogami is not. As for Glaistig, i think she's not either.
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Can they take on Naofumi Iwatani (Web Novel) then?
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Idk, his Low 2-C seems somewhat limited. So i guess the match can be made. Best to wait for this match to end first.
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Yeah, let's finish this match and then we can put Naofumi against the winner probably
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I'm here not for the match but for Naofumi. EE is not working on him due to his ressurection that revived him after being erased from existance on a conceptual level by Medea. And Naofumi can just lawhax to nullify all of Ogami's abilties.
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Lawhax? Is that his sealing that works on all god abilities?
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Yes. And by god abilities, it means "abilties that aren't from this world".
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Ok but Rei resisted sealing via sheer willpower.
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It isn't sealing, it's lawhax and it's 2-C (aka 4-D) in potency.
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So from what I can make of Rei's file, he uses gestures for his stuff. Glaistig Uaine on the other hand can use stuff from her shades on thinking, sometimes without even summoning them, somehow.
Glaistig Uaine is able to see powers in quite a bit of detail, and is also able to see alternate versions of reality with regards to what powers can do, and also just knows things about people in front of her that she just has no reason to know like that Taylor Hebert's dad died. Her power vision's let her see through entire cities. This is without her Thinkers, which let her get access to a wide variety of precog, danger sense, analysis, etc powers. She has Doormaker for easy portals to wherever.
With all this in mind, there seem to be several things Rei Ogami just isn't able to respond to, including:
Glaistig Uaine is able to see powers in quite a bit of detail, and is also able to see alternate versions of reality with regards to what powers can do, and also just knows things about people in front of her that she just has no reason to know like that Taylor Hebert's dad died. Her power vision's let her see through entire cities. This is without her Thinkers, which let her get access to a wide variety of precog, danger sense, analysis, etc powers. She has Doormaker for easy portals to wherever.
With all this in mind, there seem to be several things Rei Ogami just isn't able to respond to, including:
- Doormakering in Clockblocker behind him for a touch, then touching him herself while he's stopped in time for a kill
- Using Eidolon to remove all the air, meaning fire can't burn and he chokes
- Using Eidolon/herself to spawn some High 6-A explosion inside of him
- Using Eidolon to remove his power
- Using Grue to remove his power
- Using Eidolon to spawn matter inside of him fatally
- Putting a doormaker portal below his feet and whisking him into some barren earth
- Doormakering herself out of his reach, returning all buffed up by her spirits and with Tinkertech
- On this route, Bakuda and Tinker 15 stand out in particular, with the former letting her just set off a nuke or more exotic sort of weapon while the latter's able to tinker up drone armies and much more destructive things with enough time
- Using Gray Boy
- Using a Telekinetic that doesn't seem Manton limited to crush him
- Using her wind ghost for an attack that can't really be seen that can kill
- Using her "Vulgar Woman" for a weird damage transfer style thing that worked on Scion (Worm)
Creating some mead and having a drink- Using Cleo for a rapidly necrotizing poison
- Using Eidolon to violently alter gravity and crush Rei
- Using Eidolon to dessicate Rei to death
- Using Eidolon to reality warp him to death
- Using Eidolon to EE him
- Using Eidolon to kick him into a different universe
- Probably something else I'm forgetting about
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Most of those do get negged by Belphegor (burning all powers). As for the stuff like removing air to make powers stop working, he has fires like Leviathan which is freezing flame so that's not gonna do much either considering his fire do all but not work like normal fire
Also the flames had this effect just by being all together.
Also the flames had this effect just by being all together.
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Behphegor can't nullify things that come out before he can react to them, given she's got thought based activation. How do you even react to suddenly being dead or in a different location anyways, things like the dessication, gravity, BFR, portals, explosion etc don't have travel time. Just because some of his fire does weird stuff doesn't mean now it works in no air if that's not shown, and even if it did he'd still suffocate.
She doesn't really need to move to use her shades, and it seems like that girl is a lot closer to him than several kilometers.
She doesn't really need to move to use her shades, and it seems like that girl is a lot closer to him than several kilometers.
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Flames are thought based too. The reason you see him using his left hand to burn stuff in the scans is because when he's older he can only use his flames from his right hand. Also the flames could react to SoL. He would suffocate, but he would have yeeted the dude that was removing air or power nulled him.
It's not about movement, its about fear. Also how many of those shades can be used on that long of a range either way? Currently her top is some hundreds of meters.
It's not about movement, its about fear. Also how many of those shades can be used on that long of a range either way? Currently her top is some hundreds of meters.
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"Flames are thought based too."
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"Also the flames could react to SoL."
Speed's equal
"He would suffocate, but he would have yeeted the dude that was removing air or power nulled him."
Well that dude is Eidolon, the one who's power is to pull out "whatever he needs" and could evade Scion's onslaught through a variety of powers, so a means as to how he does this in the very short time before asphyxiating would be nice.
"It's not about movement, its about fear."
Just because a person is scared doesn't mean it falls under fear manip as per vbw, and this again seems like she's a lot closer than several km. Mental stuff kinda doesn't work very well on her anyways, and if she's scared with all the power she has she'd probably just lash out and destroy anyways. It's implied she did this sort of thing as a child, when she killed ~45 capes and was mostly under a Shard's influence.
"Also how many of those shades can be used on that long of a range either way? Currently her top is some hundreds of meters. "
All of them, because Doormaker.
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"Also the flames could react to SoL."
Speed's equal
"He would suffocate, but he would have yeeted the dude that was removing air or power nulled him."
Well that dude is Eidolon, the one who's power is to pull out "whatever he needs" and could evade Scion's onslaught through a variety of powers, so a means as to how he does this in the very short time before asphyxiating would be nice.
"It's not about movement, its about fear."
Just because a person is scared doesn't mean it falls under fear manip as per vbw, and this again seems like she's a lot closer than several km. Mental stuff kinda doesn't work very well on her anyways, and if she's scared with all the power she has she'd probably just lash out and destroy anyways. It's implied she did this sort of thing as a child, when she killed ~45 capes and was mostly under a Shard's influence.
"Also how many of those shades can be used on that long of a range either way? Currently her top is some hundreds of meters. "
All of them, because Doormaker.
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Here is Chibigami using his flames without moving.
Yeah, but not all speed. The flames being >>>>>>>> Ogami, still stays.
Well nullifying Eidolon, and flames which would put him in eternal ice, deconstruction, illusions you name it.
Doormaker as i said, also increases Ogami's range.
Yeah, but not all speed. The flames being >>>>>>>> Ogami, still stays.
Well nullifying Eidolon, and flames which would put him in eternal ice, deconstruction, illusions you name it.
Doormaker as i said, also increases Ogami's range.
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without moving =/= speed of a thought
Their reaction speed wouldn't be any higher than his though, that's not how that works.
He has to actually hit Eidolon for that, meaning getting through the fields of halted time and his reactive teleportation. You're also assuming he can ignite fire with no air again for some reason, and also remember that Eidolon himself has several powers at a time so alongside the suffocation he can also just like, explode this child. Air isn't even the only thing either, just remove all the moisture from his body while he's at it may as well.
Not when Glaistig Uaine has total control of the portals and he has no reason to know where or what they are. Doesn't seem like he really has anything against Clockblocker suddenly spawning behind him and freezing him in time, then Glaistig Uaine following up with her own more fatal touch.
Their reaction speed wouldn't be any higher than his though, that's not how that works.
He has to actually hit Eidolon for that, meaning getting through the fields of halted time and his reactive teleportation. You're also assuming he can ignite fire with no air again for some reason, and also remember that Eidolon himself has several powers at a time so alongside the suffocation he can also just like, explode this child. Air isn't even the only thing either, just remove all the moisture from his body while he's at it may as well.
Not when Glaistig Uaine has total control of the portals and he has no reason to know where or what they are. Doesn't seem like he really has anything against Clockblocker suddenly spawning behind him and freezing him in time, then Glaistig Uaine following up with her own more fatal touch.
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Anyway you can tell the 2 apart? I'd love to hear why that is not speed of thought.
Speed equal doesn't equalize speed of attacks. If it's faster it's faster.
Belphegor on himself gets rid of all of those. Until the flames deconstruct or null eidolon through speed, invisibility and AoE (sucks things in, make fire rain etc)
Besides usually passive EE fire around himself and use of flames that burn all special powers you mean? As for the portals doesn't take a genius to know what portals do. Not to mention he can just burn the portals or use them to burn glaistig herself
Speed equal doesn't equalize speed of attacks. If it's faster it's faster.
Belphegor on himself gets rid of all of those. Until the flames deconstruct or null eidolon through speed, invisibility and AoE (sucks things in, make fire rain etc)
Besides usually passive EE fire around himself and use of flames that burn all special powers you mean? As for the portals doesn't take a genius to know what portals do. Not to mention he can just burn the portals or use them to burn glaistig herself
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To be quite honest, I can't see for shit what's going on in those panels. I see a chin in 2 panels and literally just a girl in one of them. Not exactly things that are making me think "ah yes he spawns his fire through burning"
A dude reacting isn't an attack though. Reaction speeds are equalized to other reaction speeds.
They kill him instantly. There's no time to do that. I'd love to see feats of Belphegor creating air, or returning moisture to his body anyways. Hell why is Belphegor even able to be used here in the first place if it's also fire?
Reactive teleportation seems to beat those.
It isn't passive though, so it's not counted as such. Regular bombs aren't really special powers, and how the **** is he going to burn a portal he doesn't even know exists or just opens up below his feet and dumps him in the middle of nowhere? Do you have proof he can see far enough away, despite how the curvature of the earth would make that not work normally at such a range? Glaistig Uaine has her Thinker abilities to get around this.
A dude reacting isn't an attack though. Reaction speeds are equalized to other reaction speeds.
They kill him instantly. There's no time to do that. I'd love to see feats of Belphegor creating air, or returning moisture to his body anyways. Hell why is Belphegor even able to be used here in the first place if it's also fire?
Reactive teleportation seems to beat those.
It isn't passive though, so it's not counted as such. Regular bombs aren't really special powers, and how the **** is he going to burn a portal he doesn't even know exists or just opens up below his feet and dumps him in the middle of nowhere? Do you have proof he can see far enough away, despite how the curvature of the earth would make that not work normally at such a range? Glaistig Uaine has her Thinker abilities to get around this.
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You can see ogami on his knees in the 1st scan, next scan same thing except the whole place is now in flames. 3rd scan is the effect.
No but the flames moving is.
Belphegor won't create air or moisture it will prevent him from removing them in the first place. Invisible rain of ee is next. Cus it doesn't burn, fire needs oxygen to burn, but if the fire is abstract (doesn't burn people or even produce heat or smoke) why would it need the heat? Similar reason as to why asmodeus which is literally freezing won't be affected. Some of his fire doesn't behave like fire at all.
Reactive? Also beat blitzing or invisible aoe?
Curvature...of the earth....at some hundred meters...
No but the flames moving is.
Belphegor won't create air or moisture it will prevent him from removing them in the first place. Invisible rain of ee is next. Cus it doesn't burn, fire needs oxygen to burn, but if the fire is abstract (doesn't burn people or even produce heat or smoke) why would it need the heat? Similar reason as to why asmodeus which is literally freezing won't be affected. Some of his fire doesn't behave like fire at all.
Reactive? Also beat blitzing or invisible aoe?
Curvature...of the earth....at some hundred meters...
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Will check that out in a bit with guidance then
She and her capes also have attacks that move faster than their own things, this doesn't explain how his fire is going to move fast enough to negate things that have already happened.
Again, it already happened at that point. Too late. It still needs these things because it isn't shown to not need them, and it's an NLF to claim they don't just because they have other fantastical elements.
Eidolon had an auto teleport thing that would teleport himself to safety if he was put in a dangerous situation. So yeah, it will beat those.
At 4km, given Doormaker's planetary portals, Tinker 15's planetary influence, Doormaker's clairvoyance, this guy's own profile listing some kilometer stuff, etc.
She and her capes also have attacks that move faster than their own things, this doesn't explain how his fire is going to move fast enough to negate things that have already happened.
Again, it already happened at that point. Too late. It still needs these things because it isn't shown to not need them, and it's an NLF to claim they don't just because they have other fantastical elements.
Eidolon had an auto teleport thing that would teleport himself to safety if he was put in a dangerous situation. So yeah, it will beat those.
At 4km, given Doormaker's planetary portals, Tinker 15's planetary influence, Doormaker's clairvoyance, this guy's own profile listing some kilometer stuff, etc.
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Things that have already happened like...? He can also do a thing like "open up with stuff" too, rather than wait for her to do stuff. Besides why would she open with her best stuff right away? In character means quite a bit.
Unless he actively removes all air, it doesn't just happen, cus air will still fill up the gap as it would create vacuum. And if he does do it actively it will stop once he dies or is nulled. And that's the stupidest thing you've pointed NLF on, this is not even NLF. Saying "fire that isn't fire shouldn't be assumed to have average fire weaknesses". If it were burning something (which is why the oxygen is needed), it would produce smoke, heat or burn things at all. Same reason why Leviathan which is a freezing flame is just stupid to assume needs oxygen despite being a flame cus its flame in name but its freaking ice in reality. Also again invisible EE rain.
It was a strong defense against aimed attacks, but it wouldn't help against something indiscriminate enough.
Yeah, that working against power null needs some form of proof. It also says "it wouldn't help against something indiscriminate enough", so something like invisible EE rain. And it also he has to actually use this in the first place.
Portals do not count as "ability range", cus they do not have range, they just move between 2 points. The planetary range, some form of quote cus that's not in the profiles. As for Ogami, that is not in this Key, that's with the white flame which he doesn't have here.
Unless he actively removes all air, it doesn't just happen, cus air will still fill up the gap as it would create vacuum. And if he does do it actively it will stop once he dies or is nulled. And that's the stupidest thing you've pointed NLF on, this is not even NLF. Saying "fire that isn't fire shouldn't be assumed to have average fire weaknesses". If it were burning something (which is why the oxygen is needed), it would produce smoke, heat or burn things at all. Same reason why Leviathan which is a freezing flame is just stupid to assume needs oxygen despite being a flame cus its flame in name but its freaking ice in reality. Also again invisible EE rain.
It was a strong defense against aimed attacks, but it wouldn't help against something indiscriminate enough.
Yeah, that working against power null needs some form of proof. It also says "it wouldn't help against something indiscriminate enough", so something like invisible EE rain. And it also he has to actually use this in the first place.
Portals do not count as "ability range", cus they do not have range, they just move between 2 points. The planetary range, some form of quote cus that's not in the profiles. As for Ogami, that is not in this Key, that's with the white flame which he doesn't have here.
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