BBUutt is he more skilled than jigen? He'd need to outskill jigen to be able to avoid his rods in any way and narusasu weren't able to do such with their own skill. Is he more skilled than them? That's another discussion we can have in this current moment.
Yes. Btw, would It would be advantageous for both sides right?
I said Doom is "huge" since the mf is 6'5 normally, he should be shooting hoops
6'5 is not Kurama size
Well if were were to just go over a quick glance, Jigen or isshiki or whatever is only "gifted" while Doom is an extraordinary genius at fighting, playing with Divine Visionaries as if it were nothing. Even then, looking over Naruto and Sasuke's profiles, they're only a genius in combat. Suuuure intelligence might be relative, but going off of just the profiles? Doom is more skilled.
Tell me, why would they? Do you know of the similarities they possess?
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It depends how how mashle treats magic. Chakra is well-known as mind, body and soul energy.
He was toying with them the whole time so no. And look at the demon heart, three rods in it and its destroyed,
That don't even make sense, the heart is what allows them to regen, and I think you're thinking about this or this, neither was the heart.
Magic in Mashle was given by the gods in the early years of humanity's history. It's contained within the body, and it comes bursting out of one's face when exerted, especially so with stronger spells like Thirds. In reference to the mind and soul, there's no correlation.
This is unironically the only similarity they possess. Not that VE has to be major (especially when the verse's energy isn't complex) so if both parties agree then VE should work.
Your image is dead, though I do know it's a little eldritch meatball
Ah, I see, it seems as though my memory has failed me.
Yes, that's a weakness for anyone who isn't Doom or wizards that have an absurd amount of magic power. Doom's ammount is massive, so much so that he limits himself by percentages and still doesn't need to use it all to beat someone like Ryoh.
It isn't indefinate, but it might as well be due to Doom's amount of magic.
Lost to Mash after a couple minutes of them going back and forth and couldn't get back up from it. And this weakness is on Doom's page.
Okay, but how many times does Jigen use BFR? Does he start with it? He do it at will? He just leave the person there for all eternity and thats it?
None of those hit the heart.
He did it in a battle of x1? Naruto engaged him to protect Kawaki, and he bfred after Naruto tried attacking again. and This is a battle where Doom can make 100 clones.
Get some glasses pal. Hitting the heart was never point out as a weakness. The regen come from the energy that the heart creates from the magic, but its never stated that the heart is needed to regen.
So he is gonna BFR one clone
Yeah, that, meatball. Honestly it looks kinda cute looking at it longer.
Not just against Mash. He was a juggernaut, going through: Dot and Lance, Rayne and Finn, Orter, Orter Rayne and Finn, Ryoh, everyone besides Ryoh, Ryoh again, and then he faced Mash. All of this was in the time span of hours.
That makes no sense. The heart is what converts their magic power into energy to heal them, if it gets destroyed they can't use it. That is exactly what it's telling us. And I'm saying the rods would tear it apart.
Or just bfr the main one off bat. Or similar to how Mash was removing the clones, Jigen's shrinking around and bfring them will work. And how did Doom counter this?
He'll be fighting Isshiki for that long, for a day likely. Constantly being destroyed by the rods.
Please look at when he got hit, its right under his shoulder, not the middle of his body. Idk why you used that panel when its clearly an odd angle.To make it more clear
A day is enough for Doom to adapt and counter. Again, just seeing things once leads to him countering it instantly
He not countering Shrink God Isshiki.
A day of fighting, 24 hours, and he's not going to catch on to Isshiki suddenly disappearing from the battle multiple times and rods suddenly appearing inside of his body? He already knows of similar trickery from his brother Famin, but Doom's going to know that this isn't some invisibility nonsense. Teleportation nonsense maybe, but he is going to catch on. And the moment he goads Isshiki into a trap, something Doom had already done so against Orter and Rayne, he's going to destroy the entire area with a danmaku of slashes across the battlefield.
Wait until you get other people besides ourselves to look over this thread. Jumping the gun like this won't end in good taste.
What was Kishimoto smoking
Honestly it is weir. Naruto and Sasuke are genius fighters, yet Isshiki, who scales to them, is only gifted? Must have been missed in a revision lol.
No, you need to prove that. Send me the scan where it states he spams rods inside the opponent instead of firing them at them. He can sense it with his perception. First of all, prove Rods lack mass. Doom can even sense light magic. Light lacks volume and mass. Also, I already mentioned Doom would adapt to the fighting style of Jigen once he attacks one or two clones of his.
He is not knocking down Doom when he adapts to Jigen's fighting style while Jigen attacks one or two clones of his. Jigen doesn't have feats for sealing multiple opponents at the same time. He can most likely seal one Doom clone at best. As I said, even rods shouldn't be able to seal all of them when Doom can just adapt to the fighting style; he would just counter it.
Check Mash's IQ first. Naruto's IQ isn't coming anywhere close. Having more years of combat experience doesn't mean he has a better IQ. We are talking about the same Jigen/Isshiki who got outsmarted by a brat.
Idk man if he can do that in combat he would be shrinking Code and claw grims. He never showed that onscreen for some reason. Also isn't it's possible Naruto is held inside some dimension which is not based on Shrinking? I might be wrong though.
He can shrink anything NON LIVING he sees. Hence why he could easily blink away Codes claw marks.
Yeah he didn't shrink Naruto. He teleported him away through a portal.
I don't think it can shrink clones I mean Jigen or Kawaki never able shrank Boruto's or Naruto clones. Only thing I see him Shrinking is his sword but he can spam numerous copied and Doom is good with H2H combat itself. So it shouldn't hinder him much.
Don't have any interest in the overall debate except this
Clones in Naruto are considered living beings made out of flesh and bones. It's why even the Byakugan which hax xray vision can't tell them apart from the original.
Kawaki has millenia of combat experience and fought on par with Momoshiki who has the same so limiting his opponent to h2h combat while he himself keeps his ninja jutsu is a massive advantage.
No. Jigen is most likely stronger than Kawaki IN UNIVERSE. But they scale to the same values and Kawaki literally has the same abilities as Jigen but better + more + better stamina. Making him the stronger character for crossverse fights.
Aaaalso if he uses the cubes (or if we switch him to the far stronger TE Kawaki) he would just outright mess up Dooms sensory abilities all together.
I believe that series got cancelled because of shit like that.
This match up is basically over, both are tied for 2nd place on the 5-C new gen list (the only way Isshiki or Kawaki wins in via speed equalized otherwise their asses are getting blitzed), but this is just wrong. Each and every one of Doom's clones is as real as he is, so despite being created out of magic, they're still organic.
Sure. They can still be absorbed so it's not like it matters all that much
