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Spawn of a really big whale vs A Piece of Headcanon and Plot Device.
Probably gonna be inconclusive lol.
Probably gonna be inconclusive lol.
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Battle for the Strongest 10-B (Tom Taylor vs Barker Sullivan)
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What's the level of 1-A that the two scale to?
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Tom's = High 1-A
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Tom has a way higher level, but I'm not sure he can put her down despite that.
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Potentially not her specific 1-A immortality. His abilities draws on the collective unconcious of stories, so he probably isn't going to be erasing a **** ton of authors. His BFR doesn't work since she can still manifest in other stories even after being in lower ones. Most of his plot manipulation isn't the kind that would be needed to permanently destroy her. She should gain the ability to manifest as someone that doesn't need a mind if he tries to mind hax her, or respond to his fictional character summoning with reactive evolution
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I dont see how that helps when he can tap into power of the leviathan, which means High 1-A plothax
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Because its not the right kind of plot hax, at least potentially, I could be wrong. Would it even be in character for him to go around and kill a bunch of authors, which is probably what it would take to wipe her out permanently without concept manip?Oblivion Of The Endless said:
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Don't get me wrong, if he had concept and it was in character, he could definitely press the NLF button, but I don't see that on his profile
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She should gain the ability to manifest as someone that doesn't need a mind if he tries to mind hax her, or respond to his fictional character summoning with reactive evolution
This sounds like a REAL ******* stretch to me. She's never gained something like that before. Especially since she shifts abilities to fit the narrative, not really to automatically counter the enemy's abilities.
Because its not the right kind of plot hax, at least potentially, I could be wrong. Would it even be in character for him to go around and kill a bunch of authors, which is probably what it would take to wipe her out permanently without concept manip?
You sure that Tom has no way to incap Barker?
This sounds like a REAL ******* stretch to me. She's never gained something like that before. Especially since she shifts abilities to fit the narrative, not really to automatically counter the enemy's abilities.
Because its not the right kind of plot hax, at least potentially, I could be wrong. Would it even be in character for him to go around and kill a bunch of authors, which is probably what it would take to wipe her out permanently without concept manip?
You sure that Tom has no way to incap Barker?
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Yeah, it changes to fit the narrative, but given that like all of Tom's plot powers would seem to have a heavy effect on the narrative, it's very likely she would shift to compensate. And besides, Tom has like jack all info in the way of range listed on his profile, so can he even wipe out every one of her manifestations anyway? Like, even if he could mind hax one or two, would he know that he needs to or even be able to mind hax all her other manifestations?
Nope, but going from what is on the profile at the moment, it doesn't look at all like it. If someone steps in and goes "actually he is able to mind hax the whole of humanity in every narrative layer at the same time and its completely in character, just not on his profile" or "oh yeah he has concept manip and spams it all the time" then I can't really speak to that lol
Nope, but going from what is on the profile at the moment, it doesn't look at all like it. If someone steps in and goes "actually he is able to mind hax the whole of humanity in every narrative layer at the same time and its completely in character, just not on his profile" or "oh yeah he has concept manip and spams it all the time" then I can't really speak to that lol
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Can Barker incap?
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Also, his subjective reality is gonna interact really weirdly with her narrative existence and head canon existence. Would he even be able to wipe her out of his own mind after observing her?
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Maybe but probably not. It is possible that in the right context she might just adaptively gain the exact right ability to put him down, and she could try to narratively BS her way into ending the plot to escape his view, but that's pretty unlikely, especially if Tom is pataphysically savvyRose of Ragnarok said:
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Yeah, it changes to fit the narrative, but given that like all of Tom's plot powers would seem to have a heavy effect on the narrative, it's very likely she would shift to compensate.
Whatever that shift could be, I think it's extreme wank to say that she'll just adapt to have no mind when he tries to mindhax her. Her ability's super vague and I don't think it's ever given her things beyond the human level.
Like, even if he could mind hax one or two, would he know that he needs to or even be able to mind hax all her other manifestations?
Considering it's High 1-A hax I'd expect it'd have some range. And even if it didn't really, do you really need to incap all alternate versions of a type 3 acausal to get the win, if those other alt versions aren't fighting?
Can Barker incap?
Nope, she has nothing to incap, has never developed anything to incap, and has never been hinted at being able to develop anything that can incap.
Also, his subjective reality is gonna interact really weirdly with her narrative existence and head canon existence. Would he even be able to wipe her out of his own mind after observing her?
I see no reason why she'd have to be wiped out from his mind. As a pure headcanon existence, she can't really do anything, and would lose from incap.
and she could try to narratively BS her way into ending the plot to escape his view, but that's pretty unlikely
Sounds like self-BFR, not incap.
Whatever that shift could be, I think it's extreme wank to say that she'll just adapt to have no mind when he tries to mindhax her. Her ability's super vague and I don't think it's ever given her things beyond the human level.
Like, even if he could mind hax one or two, would he know that he needs to or even be able to mind hax all her other manifestations?
Considering it's High 1-A hax I'd expect it'd have some range. And even if it didn't really, do you really need to incap all alternate versions of a type 3 acausal to get the win, if those other alt versions aren't fighting?
Can Barker incap?
Nope, she has nothing to incap, has never developed anything to incap, and has never been hinted at being able to develop anything that can incap.
Also, his subjective reality is gonna interact really weirdly with her narrative existence and head canon existence. Would he even be able to wipe her out of his own mind after observing her?
I see no reason why she'd have to be wiped out from his mind. As a pure headcanon existence, she can't really do anything, and would lose from incap.
and she could try to narratively BS her way into ending the plot to escape his view, but that's pretty unlikely
Sounds like self-BFR, not incap.
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If it's literally just a piece of Headcanon or Plot can't Tom just manipulate it as he pleases?
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