Waluigi and Geno fights for joining Smash

Lord_JJJ · Mar 18, 2020

Geno VS Waluigi Speed is equal

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Soupywolf5 · Mar 21, 2020

Geno blitzes (Speed should be Equalized)

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XitSign · Mar 26, 2020

Does Geno have incap options against Waluigi? Because they scale similarly in power but Waluigi has a Mid Regen, I don't think Geno can hit him enough for a win thanks to that...

Teleportation for mobility, a time slow ability, afterimages...Waluigi has some useful tools to fight with too.

He seems like he should be smarter and more skilled, but I'm not sure there's much Geno can do on this one, I think I vote Waluigi?

Mantidil · Mar 26, 2020

Waluigi FRA

GyroNutz · Mar 26, 2020

If the doll that Geno is inhibiting gets destroyed, Geno's true form would leave it, which is an intangible star. I don't think Waluigi can affect intangibles?

00potato · Mar 26, 2020

Does he fight when in the star form?

GyroNutz · Mar 26, 2020

I don't think so. Theoretically he could since all of Geno's attacks come from the "real" Geno's magic, but he's never shown to attack in that form.

00potato · Mar 26, 2020

So it really isn't a factor

GyroNutz · Mar 26, 2020

If Waluigi can't affect Geno, it's incon.

Soupywolf5 · Mar 26, 2020

Pretty sure Waluigi destroying Geno's body would still count as incapacitating him (As Geno can't fight in that form)

GyroNutz · Mar 26, 2020

But Waluigi can't fight him in that form either. Neither opponent can harm the other (assuming Geno can't fight in that form). This is textbook inconclusive.

Soupywolf5 · Mar 26, 2020

~~Then I call BS on all of Freddy's losses~~

00potato · Mar 26, 2020

GyroNutz said:
But Waluigi can't fight him in that form either. Neither opponent can harm the other (assuming Geno can't fight in that form). This is textbook inconclusive.

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It really, Geno literally cannot do anything in that form without finding another body, he is functionally incapacitated.

XitSign · Mar 26, 2020

I agree, honestly. They had a fight and Waluigi's actions made Geno unable to continue to fight.

...Also, has Waluigi never proven Non-Physical interaction of any kind? Ever? He's never interacted with a Boo or anything? I'm saying that more as in I'm shocked he's never been able to prove he has NPI like other Mario characters have.

Lord_JJJ · Mar 27, 2020

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GyroNutz · Mar 28, 2020

Waluigi can't do anything against an intangible, he can't continue the fight either. Arguably Geno could just keep possessing inanimate objects to fight Waluigi, but he'd never get past Waluigi's regen and Waluigi would never be able to even affect the true Geno.

It'd definitely make sense if Waluigi had interacted with a Boo or something before, but I can't think of an instance where he has.

Mantidil · Mar 28, 2020

It'd definitely make sense if Waluigi had interacted with a Boo or something before, but I can't think of an instance where he has.
Mario Party 7 maybe? Boo is one of the playable characters and there are some mini games where you have to physically interact with other players (like Bubble Brawl)

idk if that would be considered an outlier though.

00potato · Mar 28, 2020

Why would it be considered an outlier? I know this wiki calls everything an outlier but this should get through.

Imaginym · Mar 28, 2020

I mean, aren't Boos sometimes intangible & sometimes not in some games, but MP player character Boos usually don't show any intangibility/phasing?

00potato · Mar 28, 2020

They should still have it though, so it is a solid feat still.

XitSign · Mar 28, 2020

The incapacitation part of victory conditions is: "incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm the other fighter(s) for over a day"

Waluigi might not be able to interact with the intangible form, but Geno can't interact with him. Going by that definition, that's a victory condition for Waluigi, he is the one who put Geno in that state. Waluigi's actions directly lead to him being unable to be harmed by Geno anymore, it just needs to last a day, leading me into...

Geno possessing other objects might be an interesting line of thought, are their rules to what bodies he can inhabit, and how useful those bodies are combatively? Did they explain if he has limitations on what's useful to him, like why he chose the doll we know him for over anything else, like the other dolls in the room?

00potato · Mar 28, 2020

We don't know so it won't come into play.

Another win for Taco Stand Gang.

Mantidil · Mar 29, 2020

00potato said:
They should still have it though, so it is a solid feat still.

If it does count, then non-physical interaction should extend to other Mario characters in that game too, like Birdo and Daisy.

GyroNutz · Mar 29, 2020

But he's also putting himself in a state where he can't interact with Geno. You can't just look at it one way. Though if Waluigi can interact with Geno, there's no real reason why he wouldn't win.

Geno said that he chose to possess the "Geno" doll because it looked the strongest out of all the dolls there.

00potato · Mar 29, 2020

If it does count, then non-physical interaction should extend to other Mario characters in that game too, like Birdo and Daisy.

Ok, seems fine.

XitSign · Mar 29, 2020

GyroNutz said:
But he's also putting himself in a state where he can't interact with Geno. You can't just look at it one way. Though if Waluigi can interact with Geno, there's no real reason why he wouldn't win.
Geno said that he chose to possess the "Geno" doll because it looked the strongest out of all the dolls there.

I hate to drag FNAF into this because it feels derailing to even mention it, but Soupy's counterpoint there is correct. By that very same logic, 'possessed' characters of all types across the wiki should have Incon results because their opponent couldn't interact with the soul, spirit, ingangable form, ect that was in control of the body that CAN interact with their opponent.

But that's not how other fights are ruled, and it shouldn't be here. Geno didn't make Waluigi unable to fight, Waluigi made GENO unable to fight and a consiquence of that is that Waluigi can no longer keep fighting. But that's not Waluigi's problem anymore, his actions removed Geno as a threat to himself, Geno was the victim in that exchange.

Geno lost, and Geno needs a way to get back into the fight because he can no longer harm Waluigi. Waluigi doesn't need to finish Geno off, he's been removed as a threat.

I think that's textbook incapacitation. I will budge on it being 'incon' if Geno's possession is able to reasonably get him back into the fight, but as we are now I will not vote 'incon' for Waluigi not being able to completely kill Geno when HIS actions made Geno a non-threat.

Foxthefox1000 · Mar 30, 2020

Waluigi FRA. If we really do go against the various losses counted for FNaF and somehow assume that Geno being rendered a spirit who hasn't shown the ability to fight is somehow an inconclusive, then okay, but I think this should be a win for Waluigi given we seem to currently accept a win via destroying a possessing spirit's vessel so that they can't fight anymore.

If we ever do decide that FNaF fights become inconclusive because they tecnically can't be killed by opponents who don't have NPI, then we can easily just move this to Geno and Waluigi's Incon section.

Lord_JJJ · Mar 30, 2020

Can Waluigi won just via incap Geno body?

Foxthefox1000 · Mar 30, 2020

Plus, just because they could possess another body doesn't mean they will. Theoretically, the FNaF spirits can possess other bodies as well.

As for incap, what does Waluigi have that can incap the puppet body?

Missy0124 · Mar 30, 2020

My stance is that waluigi wins via his ability to stop time and his temporarily invincibility plus geno can't even harm him enough to make a difference considering their ap is literally just decided based off the same feat nonetheless walugi has the ability to increase his ap via the mega mushroom which would give waluigi the edge

XitSign · Mar 30, 2020

No, I don't believe so. Waluigi's only incapacitation hax seems to be Transmutation (I don't know how Waluigi uses it), and Geno seems to resist that.

The only incap seems to be removing Geno's physical body and creating the True Form situation.

GyroNutz · Mar 30, 2020

XitSign said:
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I don't know what happens with FNaF threads, and Waluigi having NPI makes this pretty irrelevant, but that's wrong. The definition of incapacitated is "unable to act, respond or the like". Obviously Geno can act under the previous assumptions, as Waluigi never affected the true Geno in any way. Respond? True Geno can interact with tangibles, so he is capable of responding, even if it isn't in kind. He's not incapacitated, but neither one can win the fight, so it'd be inconclusive.

But again, irrelevant, I'll make a CRT for Waluigi and the like getting NPI

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