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Why do reality-fiction differences have anything to do with the tier of a character? Reality-fiction differences are only relative. If reality-fiction differences is considered into a character's tier, then any character smart enough to imagine a Tier 0 would instantly become a Tier 0 themselves, because they vastly transcend a Tier 0 in their imagination. And there's a lot of those characters, since we humans had thought of Tier 0's. If there's a cosmology with reality-fiction differences not only infinitely upwards, but also infinitely downwards, then literally every character will be at least Low 1-A.
 
We decide which level of reality is the "base" (often the one that houses most of the normal setting) and any reality-fiction difference is scaled from there. Without feats, we only take it to be a single level of transcendence when it's showcased, nothing more. Being able to think up an all-powerful being is irrelevant here since it's a character that a higher being or plane of reality sees as fiction, not their level of comprehension (a human can imagine a Tier 0 but anyone who sees them as fiction will still be Low 2-C to Low 1-C depending on the setting).

No, a hierarchy that is infinite upwards and downwards is just a higher degree of High 1-B. It's larger than your average infinite ladder but it's still a countably infinite one regardless of where you are on the ladder.

If my explanation isn't good enough (I'm not much of an expert) then check out these pages:

Tiering System

Reality - Fiction Interaction
 
There's still a problem. A character's tier is dependent on where he/she/it is, and not his/her/its power. That character can be put into a higher level of reality and instantly become much, much stronger even though his/her/its true power never changed.
 
Yes, I agree that a character's power should be evaluated objectively based on their feats and portrayal. However, this is not a matter of where a character exists as you think. Nyarlathotep's avatars can take mortals to planes beyond dimensionality and reality as a whole but in this case it's not a feat for the humans as they can just exist there not alter or affect the plane in any way. A proper reality-fiction difference has the character and setting at a certain tier and a being that vews it as fiction as explicitly descibed or implied to be beyond infinitely superior to them.

If it meets that requirement then it can be used for tiering.
 
Btw: Thanks for helping out Planck69.
 
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