XSOULOFCINDERX
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Ikki starts with material form Intetsu and Amps restricted.
Speed Equalized.
Yujiro:
Ikki:7
Incon:
Speed Equalized.
Yujiro:
Ikki:7
Incon:
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Let's get this over with. Yujiro Hanma vs Ikki Kurogane.
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Fight Starts
One second later, Ikki passes out
One second later, Ikki passes out
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Should I start Ikki not in 7-C?
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Still didn't buy any popcorn. Dang.
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Bruh moment
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Fixed it.
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btw, isn't this fight mostly going to be Earl vs Earl, if anything?
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Anyway let's get this shit on a roll.
AP: Yuji 1 shots, but not a problem with an opponent like Ikki.
Speed: Equal
Skill: Overall Ikki, but has to be debated technique by technique.
So Baki guys, let's get going. Do your worst.
AP: Yuji 1 shots, but not a problem with an opponent like Ikki.
Speed: Equal
Skill: Overall Ikki, but has to be debated technique by technique.
So Baki guys, let's get going. Do your worst.
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So
Can Ikki one shot with phantom form
Big question
Can Ikki one shot with phantom form
Big question
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I don't even want to argue that.
@SoulOfCinder
Put in the OP "ikki starts with material form intetsu".
@SoulOfCinder
Put in the OP "ikki starts with material form intetsu".
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I'm very confused, what is Phantom Form? I keep hearing different things on how it works.
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Simple explanation: It's the 2nd most inconsistent thing in Rakudai. Right next to the scaling.The Prince of Counters said:
It's just a form of his sword, which doesn't deal damage. But at first it was described as stamina drain, later on it says "people feel the pain", some volumes later it says it works by "wrong impression". So to save brain cells i don't wanna argue it at all.
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Ok so since this is material form.
Baki boys get to the arguments.
Baki boys get to the arguments.
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Oh godj oh fugg it's happening
Alright, let's start with the important stuff. Yujiro's equal to Ikki in CQC skill, Yujiro is a master at every martial art that exists (or that existed). His main abilities include attack reflection via Aikido, damage reduction with Xiao Lee, 0.5s Unconscious works under speed equalized, information analysis can instantly detect any physical weakness or traits, can one-shot Ikki via lots of durability negation moves. Has insane pain resistance and an even crazier stamina. Power Mimicry allows for him to copy any ability based on skill, mainly martial arts. Analytical Prediction allows for him to know every move Ikki is about to do.
Alright, let's start with the important stuff. Yujiro's equal to Ikki in CQC skill, Yujiro is a master at every martial art that exists (or that existed). His main abilities include attack reflection via Aikido, damage reduction with Xiao Lee, 0.5s Unconscious works under speed equalized, information analysis can instantly detect any physical weakness or traits, can one-shot Ikki via lots of durability negation moves. Has insane pain resistance and an even crazier stamina. Power Mimicry allows for him to copy any ability based on skill, mainly martial arts. Analytical Prediction allows for him to know every move Ikki is about to do.
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KG has just about covered everything. Now Ikki's retaliation?
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Doesn't Yujiro have the AP to just break Ikki's device/sword? ala Yujiro vs Motobe? (I could be wrong as I believe Devices are much stronger then the users durability)
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He does, but I don't think Ikki would let that happen with his level of skill
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I might be way off here rn... but I can't rly remember a device breaking... like... ever.
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Would you happen to know if it has some kind of special property to prevent a break?RatherClueless said:
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Its not made up of metal or anything like that, but the users soul. So that's a thing.
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Devices can break, but only with attacks far more powerful than the user, like when Touka's Device was broken by Ikki using Ittou Rasetsu, but Ikki has the skill to stop 7-B attacks by doing things like redirecting the energy or something like that.
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>Toukas device broke
>Instantly rewatching
Welp, I guess that rly did happen. However, then I am just gonna ask, do u know wether a device disperses after someone falls unconscious or does it stay materialized untill that person decides to disperse it?
>Instantly rewatching
Welp, I guess that rly did happen. However, then I am just gonna ask, do u know wether a device disperses after someone falls unconscious or does it stay materialized untill that person decides to disperse it?
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It stays materialized, Ikki was still capable of using it after his Device broke.
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'''I AM HERE'''
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he came back for a second time!? kek
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I got some severe problems with what has been said but i'll argue as soon as i eat breakfast.
I need nutrients
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Ok time to get started
@KG
>Yujiro's equal to ikki in CQC skill
No...just no. We can debate, you won't win though.Don't say i didn't warn you if you start the debate
>Is a master of all martal arts
I've debunked this countless times. Not all martial arts are combat applicable, and tons of them are useless. He mostly uses them to flex on assholes. There are only a handful which are good enough in combat.
>Attack reflection
It's not sth Yujiro ever uses, and even then it can be bypassed rather easily.
>Damage reduction
It's effectiveness is severely reduced when it's something like Ikki ignoring friction and slashing effects (not saying it won't work at all, but it works much less effectively against sharp weapons as it does against punches which cause a lot more push).
>0.5sec unconscious
I explained it even in the Baki thread. Ikki can tap into his unconsciousness has senses which will tell him beforehand about this, and has even beat a guy who could make 4 actions before Ikki could make 1. Yujiro's not gonna be able to do much.
>1 shot ikki
Yes true, he also has the ap advantage, but that's IF he lands a clean hit and Ikki doesn't tech it.
>Pain resistance and stamina
Not a factor as ikki's using material form intetsu.
>Power mimicry
No, Yujiro has never copied shit like ignoring friction and acceleration, actually hiding from someone's mind etc. He can copy a bunch, but it's gonna be hard. Especially since the best Yujiro has shown is copying 1 technique at a time. Which as stated in rakudai is significantly inferior to copying a style.
>Analytical Prediction
Hardly. Ikki has fooled mind reading before
>Reaction speed amp
Ikki has that too, an in character move, 10x reaction speed, makes him perceive shit in slow motion.
About breaking a device, there are 2 conditions. 1. You need to have more magic than the user. 2. A ton of AP.
@KG
>Yujiro's equal to ikki in CQC skill
No...just no. We can debate, you won't win though.
>Is a master of all martal arts
I've debunked this countless times. Not all martial arts are combat applicable, and tons of them are useless. He mostly uses them to flex on assholes. There are only a handful which are good enough in combat.
>Attack reflection
It's not sth Yujiro ever uses, and even then it can be bypassed rather easily.
>Damage reduction
It's effectiveness is severely reduced when it's something like Ikki ignoring friction and slashing effects (not saying it won't work at all, but it works much less effectively against sharp weapons as it does against punches which cause a lot more push).
>0.5sec unconscious
I explained it even in the Baki thread. Ikki can tap into his unconsciousness has senses which will tell him beforehand about this, and has even beat a guy who could make 4 actions before Ikki could make 1. Yujiro's not gonna be able to do much.
>1 shot ikki
Yes true, he also has the ap advantage, but that's IF he lands a clean hit and Ikki doesn't tech it.
>Pain resistance and stamina
Not a factor as ikki's using material form intetsu.
>Power mimicry
No, Yujiro has never copied shit like ignoring friction and acceleration, actually hiding from someone's mind etc. He can copy a bunch, but it's gonna be hard. Especially since the best Yujiro has shown is copying 1 technique at a time. Which as stated in rakudai is significantly inferior to copying a style.
>Analytical Prediction
Hardly. Ikki has fooled mind reading before
>Reaction speed amp
Ikki has that too, an in character move, 10x reaction speed, makes him perceive shit in slow motion.
About breaking a device, there are 2 conditions. 1. You need to have more magic than the user. 2. A ton of AP.
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I'll attend all the points by numbering them because i'm on my phone and it would be a pain to copy+paste everything you said
1. Yes. Why would Ikki be more skilled?
2. Well, if you think so, the same could be said about Ikki. Anyways, the martial arts of the Bakiverse aren't like real life martial arts, even arts that would normally be useless irl (Aikido) can give you good abilities there (attack reflection). Anyways, trust me, all martial arts of the Bakiverse have something good to them, none of them are useless.
3. He uses it if he feels like he needs to.
4. It has been implied to work against blades, Musashi only was able to beat through Retsu's Xiao-Lee because it was incomplete and because they had a huge AP gap. Under normal conditions, Xiao-Lee lets you no diff attacks millions of times stronger than you if you've mastered it.
5. It's best to touch on this subject when i get home (tomorrow)
6. Yeah, neither does Yujiro
7. Yeah, they're still important tho
8. Yujiro copied a martial art that requires more than a century of training to master in a glance. In order to even start to utilize this martial art, you have to go through rigorous training in order to remove your natural instincts of fear and rigidness, making your body completly limp like a feather even against someone who can one-shot you. God, he probably mastered Udonde by reading about it in a book since it's an extinct martial art. He can copy techniques that come from skill just like he can copy any martial art.
9. I do agree Ikki's AP is better thanks to the fact it's via magic, but still, at this point they're almost the same
10. Yujiro's also a 10x amp. But still there are many others.
1. Yes. Why would Ikki be more skilled?
2. Well, if you think so, the same could be said about Ikki. Anyways, the martial arts of the Bakiverse aren't like real life martial arts, even arts that would normally be useless irl (Aikido) can give you good abilities there (attack reflection). Anyways, trust me, all martial arts of the Bakiverse have something good to them, none of them are useless.
3. He uses it if he feels like he needs to.
4. It has been implied to work against blades, Musashi only was able to beat through Retsu's Xiao-Lee because it was incomplete and because they had a huge AP gap. Under normal conditions, Xiao-Lee lets you no diff attacks millions of times stronger than you if you've mastered it.
5. It's best to touch on this subject when i get home (tomorrow)
6. Yeah, neither does Yujiro
7. Yeah, they're still important tho
8. Yujiro copied a martial art that requires more than a century of training to master in a glance. In order to even start to utilize this martial art, you have to go through rigorous training in order to remove your natural instincts of fear and rigidness, making your body completly limp like a feather even against someone who can one-shot you. God, he probably mastered Udonde by reading about it in a book since it's an extinct martial art. He can copy techniques that come from skill just like he can copy any martial art.
9. I do agree Ikki's AP is better thanks to the fact it's via magic, but still, at this point they're almost the same
10. Yujiro's also a 10x amp. But still there are many others.
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I'll let you get home and finish your post before answering.
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KGiffoni said:
"And Here We Go" - Joker
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SpookyShadow said:
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Anyway @KG if you got nothing to add I'll answer after new year's.... hopefully..... assuming im not trippin balls by then.
