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2-A Azura, the revenge.

BoomerKuwanger1

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As shown in the previous thread, multiple points of evidence seem to prove that Azura's dream world is a 2-A Construct.

Screenshot 20191021-092826 Fire Emblem Heroes
Multiple, multiple, tons of different statements seem to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the term "World" refers to different timelines/realities with their own space time, the photo here is excellent evidence, the fact that the timeline FE7 happens is different than the time FE6 happens are separate and that both gendered Corrins are on the dream world back this up.


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In the paralogue the Dream world appears, Loki states twice that Azura's dream world has an infinite number of realities inside of itself, which makes the realm/construct 2-A.
The maain theme of the paralogue is that Loki wants to convince Azura to use her power to help her achieve her plans, there is no reason for Loki to be saying there are infinite worlds "out there" or the quote would indicate this.

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Both Azura and loki are inside of the dream world. And she said "in here".

If she said "oh you gullible innocent loli, there are an infinite number of worlds OUT THERE..."

Id agree with you, but the dialogue implies she is talking about the dream world Azura created. (Not to mention thebmain point of the paralogue was that Loki was trying to get Loli to use her power for her wicked goals.)"
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Previous thrreads:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2678937?useskin=oasis

and

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3260570?useskin=oasis
 
I would link the previous thread if I were you, for reference.

Anyways, this is pretty clear at least to me, 2-A seems fine, but the staff have to also agree on it, after all, so please wait until they reply.
 
@Bobsican & Zenkai

Are you willing to take over this thread, given that the OP has been blocked?
 
I honestly still feel like this is the same thread being repeated. And I don't really have anything to say beyond what Azathoth has been saying on previous threads. I agree that the entirety of the Fire Emblem Heroes multiverse is 2-A structured. And that the "Creator of Everything" known as Alfador would be 2-A if he/she were to make an appearance. But I don't think the Dream World Azura created is enough to be a 2-A sized multiverse squeezed within the 2-A sized multiverse. The Dream World seems fine to be Low 2-C for sure, but the idea that there's an infinite number of dream worlds as well as them being individually 2-A seems very stretchy.

So I don't think there needs to be any changes here.
 
Okay. Thank you for the evaluation. Should we close this thread then?
 
Antvasima said:
@Bobsican & Zenkai
Are you willing to take over this thread, given that the OP has been blocked?
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Sure

"Why do you consider it to be "sketchy?", the paralogue itself heavely implies that Loki is talking about the dream world, which is in the main reason she was trying to get Azura to use her powers for her benefit.

For further context, it should be noted that Loki is the daughter of Alfador, the creator of all, seeking a power close to that of her father's is in character.

Paralogue 27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk6ePW4pZac (Entire paralogue)

It should be noted that the dream world and the worlds that exist within it are stated to be "boundless"at 6:11 as well, which backs up 2-A further."
 
Yeah, Loki clearly states "There is an infinite amount of worlds HERE, my dear" and "THIS WORLD contains and infinite number of worlds within IT".

I think it is beyond obvious that she is talking about the world she is currently in and is the MAIN FOCUS on the entire paralogue: the Dream world.

The dream world, as stated by the most reliable source of information in the entire verse, IS a 2-A construct, it fits all definitions.
 
I agree with Minto and Bob.

I don't see any reason given why this isn't a 2-A multiverse. They quite literally say there are an infinite number of worlds out there.

It even says there are an infinite number of worlds here and that the world they are currently in contains infinite amounts of them.

I'm not sure what the problem is.
 
There exists an infinite number of worlds in general, so assuredly there are an infinite number of worlds within the entirety of the multiverse. But the problem is if 1 of infinite dream worlds is 2-A, and the other Dream Worlds are parallel, that requires a lot of assumptions to be stacking infinities without elaborate explanations. Alfador the creator of everything does have enough context to be 2-A, but I think it's best to consider Asura's dream just one of many dream worlds. Which would only qualify as Low 2-C.

When she says "This world contains an infinite number of worlds within it" I'm pretty sure "This World" is referring to the FE Heroes multiverse rather than the Dream World they're in.
 
  • "Loki also says that "There is an infinite amount of worlds here, my dear". Which contradicts the thought that she is talking about the general FEH Multiverse, again, it should be noted that the main objective of the paralogue if Loki convincing Young Azura into joining her.
  • The term "This world" is 100% being used to refeer to the dream world she is currently in, there is nl reason why Loki woulf suddenly change subjects when talking to Azura. I repeat that the main thing of the paralogue is about Azura denying the rest of the worlds and live in the dream world where everything goes according to what she wants (Which is why Adult Azura wants to convince her to Destroy her dream world.)
  • Speaking of Adult Azura, she recognizes the Dream World she and the Order of Heroes are in as the dream world she once had herself but later destroyed at these timestamps of the video in the OP 3:22, 8:01 (Adult Azura confirms this is another Azura's dream world, so it is not unreasonable to assume her dream world sas also 2-A)
  • Regardless, Low 2-C is incorrect anyways based on the Dream Siblings we see inside of the dream world, which contains Camilla (whose Azura only develops a legit bond in the conquest route.) and both Female and Male Corrin (obviously), which is only possible in at least 2 timelines (Conquest with m/f corrin, birthright with the other) , making it 2-C.
Even if for slme reason, only 1 out of infinite dream worlds is 2-A, the profile on the wiki also covers what we know about that Young Azura. Which results in at least 2-C, possibly 2-A.

  • We also scale possible characters to other versions of themselves in the wiki, like Rick Sanchez and some Superman."
 
That's still sounds really iffy. If only one out of an infinite number of dream worlds is 2-A, how are they parallel then. Either their Low 2-C sized each or they're 2-A sized each; it can't be both. And the latter would also assume the FEH Multiverse would Tier 1 structured, which sounds far too assumptive.

Infinite number of worlds out there confirms the existence of a 2-A Multiverse. But Infinite number of worlds here can still have here referring to the multiverse. I can be on Earth and in the Milky Way Galaxy and the Universe all as the same time due to each being inside the next. The Dream World is still inside the multiverse, so being inside the Dream World doesn't mean they're not inside the multiverse.
 
Medeus makes sense to me.
 
"The rest of the Multiverse (Outside the Dream World) has been confirmed 2-A long ago by Griel, Spring Alfonse, Loki, Hel and others. That is not in doubt.

But Young Azura's Dream World (A separate realm that exists WITHIN the FEH Multiverse also does have a 2-A structure.) Loki stated that there are an infinite amount of worlds inside of the Dream World twice, and the elements present in the paralogue imply that it should be a 2-C structure at the bare mininum if all the dream worlds are not the same for some reason.

And i must repeat that we do scale parallel versions of characters to one another, like with various Superman and Rick Sanchez, even if just one out of infinite Azura's Dream World is 2-A (for some reason), it should be noted.

In the timestamps on the previous post, it is proven that Adult Azura recognizes and states that her previous Dream World and Young Azura's are identical, so there is little reason to assume Adult Azura's is 2-C instead of 2-A as well.

This was released yesterday in book 4, but the order of heroes find themselves trapped in a world of dreams (Yeah, what a coincidence i know), where they are told to sleep within the dream world to reach a world that is within said world to reach the fairy king.

So the concept of realms within realms is not something unsupported.

Fiyah Emburem 2-A 2
Fiyah Emburem 2-A 1
 
What do we need to do here?
 
The 2-A stuff is being discussed if it's valid or not.

Anyways, Hans has this to say:

""Azura's Dream World tiering to be changed to "2-C, likely 2-A Low Multiverse Level (The Dream World combines multiple timelines into one which also contain elements from the Conquest and Birthright Timelines, alongside Corrins of different worlds), Possibly Multiverse Level+ (Loki stated that the Dream World contains an infinite number of boundless worlds inside of it, which Adult Azura recognized to be identical to her own.)"
 
We preferably need more staff input here. You should ask all of the ones listed in the Fire Emblem verse page to comment here.
 
I can honestly agree with 2-A under the evidence.
 
No. Medeus seems to disagree.
 
Well, he already said that no matter what his way of thinking to this won't change.

What should be done then?
 
I doubt Azathoth will respond given that he left, but I still feel he has had the best sense of judgement. I also know Dark649, Reppuzan, and JustSomeWeirdo have been inactive, but their input also would have been good.
 
I mean, Azzy left before the other FE 2-A stuff and the new stuff was brought up, so that's no longer a quite valid point.
 
Reppuzan is active at times. You can at least try to ask him, Dark649, and JustSomeWeirdo.
 
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