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Parasite Eve Revision

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It's come to my attention there are some serious issues with Parasite Eve profiles. To start off both Original Eve, and Aya are rated at 7-b. Yet looking over the feat that gives them that rating...It's a range feat, Aya is compared to Original Eve who affected all the people within a city with her bio manip. She set their mitochondria on fire to kill/blow them up. See the problem here? She isn't attacking these characters, just manipulating their biology over a large range. She has no other feat to support the cast current 7-B rating.

Another issue I've found is the rating for Aya's weapons, I can't find any calc or feat that places her weapons at 8-b. She has a rocket launcher, the best real-life rocket launchers are rated at 9-A and I see no reason we should believe her specific rocket launcher is one of these. Her dura is building level and is also unexplained. I suspect it's from her tanking her rockets. A feat that sounds like game mechanics if it's not part of a cutscene.

The speed rating is suspicious as well, both Eve and Aya are rated at hyper-sonic+ due to mitochondria Eve attacking a Jet pilot in flight. Now this feat sounds good except it's not explained exactly how Eve did it nor why it scales to her normal speed. How exactly did she attack it? If it is with her powers its not a good feat, her powers have city wide range and detecting a jet moving at hyper-sonic speed from a city away leaves plenty of time to react even for a normal human.

Ara's stamina rating is also flawed, listing her as having "large" stamina rather then high. Eve has very high stamina but no reason for either of these ratings exist.

The abilities listed also have some serious issues Aya's regen has no rating simply an ingame ability that allows her to regen her health pool via her mitochondria. Without further feats/explanations this should be either chalked up to game mechanics or rated low as afaik she never regrows any notable part of her body.

Original eve has transmutation and from my limited knowledge she shouldn't, as I can't find a feat that supports it.

There is also a serious lack of keys on Aya's profile despite her loosing some powers between games and only gaining her time travel/possession after her soul shatters...

How do we fix this? Feats and calcs, currently these profiles are supremely lacking in both aspects. Im sure there are some issues I've missed but I wanted to get this up sooner rather then later.
 
Parasite Eve doesn't even have a verse page...

Anyways, with how much the Parasite Eve characters remained untouched for any major revisions, I doubt there are much knowledgeable members or supporters of Parasite Eve left. It also doesn't help that Parasite Eve games (the original one particularly) can only be accessed by PlayStation 1, so it would also be a difficult game to review the feats of, at least first-hand.

So, lots of work needs to be done, especially with the changes you've mentioned.
 
Alright. So your first thing is that you've established that the stuff is bunk. Epic. Now those need to be tossed and you need to find new feats. I was asked to look at this but... what else can I say? Find new feats and rework the verse using those.
 
I mostly made this thread to find any supporters of the verse who would be willing to help me rework it/find feats it but several people involved in the creation of these profiles are inactive, blocked or havent responded. Thank you for taking your time to check this out!
 
Thank you for inviting me The pen or the sword, but sorry, I don't know enough about this. I suggest you research both the sequel(s) of Parasite Eve, the movie and maybe the novel.
 
Well if it could help, i could go watch the walkthrough of the three games to see anything interesting.
 
Spider Kaiju said:
Thank you for inviting me The pen or the sword, but sorry, I don't know enough about this. I suggest you research both the sequel(s) of Parasite Eve, the movie and maybe the novel.
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Don't forget the manga series.
 
That would be helpful, we need feats to calc and ratings,

For eve 1 the respect thread is well made but it's mostly full of feats for her bio manip which will be good to explain what she does but ap wise there isn't anything to calc. Ill start looking into the manga at my earliest conveince.

For the ultimate lifeform Ill ask around for the ap value neccessary to allow sound to damage concrete (unfortunantly we can't get the exact amount of damage she does calced but it's still something). Her telekentic ability to bash a human to death should give her superhuman lifting strength though.

Question how well do the games follow the ideas in the novel/manga cause if theres enough differences story/lore wise we may need seperate profiles for them.
 
Day 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=051fB6CYghk&list=PLW68I_b75bDrJ6cMCTrWqjJRiuDn77QO-&index=1

- (7:45) Eve's awakening caused spontaneous human combustion to everyone in the audience except Aya and her unnamed date (Wall level, possible Small Building level).

- (12.34) Eve's was capable po make a huge hole in the theater's floor, either via raw strength or with her powers (Wall level, possible Small Building level).

- (26:01) A mutated rat is capable to generate fire from its tail (probably Wall level).

- (35:00) Eve's damaged a piano with his bare hands (probably Wall level).

- (35:53) Eve's create two massive beams of energy (Unknow).

- (37:21) Eve's make another hole (Wall level).

- (43:50) Eve's biological manipulation allowed to create a giant mutated croc (Unknow).

- (45:08) The mutated croc's tail is capable to generate multiple shockwaves (Unknow).

- (46:06) The mutated croc is capable to fire energy blasts from his mouth (Unknow).
 
Edit just wanted to say thanks ton's for the help everyone

First one isn't really a feat for ap its just her bio manip, she causes there bodies to explode with her bio manip and never tanks any energy from it. So not an ap feat. Same way making everyone in a city explode with biomanip isn't an ap feat.

Hmmm.Its not clear how she made it period, so Im not confident in using this to justify ap

Thats may be worth calcing Ill screenshot it

Worth calcing but it looks wall level at a glance

Again not sure how she did it so not the most confident in having it calced but Ill have it looked at

Mutating a crock is bio manip so its not really an ap feat

The shockwaves aren't overly damaging and could be interepreted as flashy game mechanics, not sure they're calcuble but Ill ask

ill have the fireball looked at
 
The pen or the sword said:
Hmmm.Its not clear how she made it period, so Im not confident in using this to justify ap
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She either tear it a part via raw strength or blast it with a energy blast, i don't see in what other ways she could have done that.
 
Hmm having a rat explode, some other funky bio manipping. Fair though Ill have it checked out Im just always nervous about using off screen feats
 
Also the energy beams aren't calculable they don't seem to damage the environment and since they have no real life equivalent we can't calc the energy output the have. So its a good feat for eve's energy manip though

also asked about her scream destroying concrete since we don't know how much the concrete was damaged we can't get a value from it...
 
Spontaneous human combustion of a single person is probably Wall level based on raising body temp to that of normal fire. A lot of the other stuff is either 9-B to 9-A, yeah.
 
fair but she does it via overloading there mitochondria not by heating the bodies through her own energy, Ie bio manip. im just not sure if we should apply it to her regular ap as its something she can only manage with her bio manip.
 
I'm sure that it would still generate energy, but if you'd rather not consider it, it probably isn't high enough to be their best feat anyways.
 
Its not that I don't want to consider it Im just not sure how to actually apply it, she;s not putting energy into people and she's not tanking any output she's literally just waving her hand and forcing people to burst into flames via bio manip.

She does the same thing to an entire city later on but thats just a range feat.
 
Right, but the bio manip part of that is just targetting very specific parts of their internals. The energy needed to perform the feat should theoretically still be the same.
 
Would it? She's not giving any energy she's telling there bodies to produce that energy for her, she's not involved in the energy that kills these people, she doesn't tank any or produce any herself. she simply mutates them so there mitochondria can set there bodies on fire.

Still if you feel the feat works I suppose that would give her wall level, though I wonder if thats the case should we consider her city wide feat of lighting everyone on fire valid reasoing for 7b? again she's not producing the energy and talking it over with others it seemed more like a range feat for her biomanip rather then an ap feat.
 
Ok good new is im pretty sure ayas most powerful weapons are her rail gun and her rocket launcher between the two games (Ironically she doesn't use rocket luanchers in her second game) , the railgun fires supersonic 20 mm rounds.

her rocket launcher is a real life weapon though, the most powerful variant she uses is a law 80.
 
OOOOOHHH. I see what you're saying now. I thought by "overloading their mitochondria" you meant introducing actually new energy just focused on their cellular workplaces. If its their own energy then yeah that isn't an AP feat.
 
Yeah all she does is tell there mitochondria to set themselves on fire with bio manip/mutate them to do so (somehow) Shes not introducing energy/overloading them with her own power or anything just controling their biology to do it for her. Sorry i didn't make it more clear as to why I didn't want to use the feat for any form of ap!
 
No worries at all. Then yeah, that wouldn't be AP.
 
Well glad I got that right now I just need to get the ap for 20mm bullet traveling at super sonic speed, and the ap for the law 80 (Her two strongest weapons afaik)
 
Um. A 20 mm round travelling at normal supersonic would be low-end 9-B at best. Busting other stuff is vastly better than a normal bullet moving at normal bullet velocities.

Bullet weighs 3.5 ounces, supersonic speed is about 377.3 m/s. So KE is...

(0.5 * 0.0992) * 377.3^2 = 7060.88 Joules, Street level
 
@Mr. Bambu

Thank you for helping out.
 
Massive thanks to bambu for the help. Stefano4444 as well

I doubt the bear feat is that high at a glance but it might be worth something.

We definitely need to calc if those worms reach small building level as they don't seem overly large and they only fragment the ground in large chunks so I don't know if we can use the vfrag value. Still the creatures are larger then aya by quite a bit so they should reach into small building level regardless.
 
That digging up calc is for a human sized creature. On phone rn so I can't check but if they're human sized then they could scale.
 
They actually appear to be larger so they should scale. Which means they match up with her law 80 which by virtue of being an anti tank rocket launcher should also reach into 9A
 
Then it looks like 9A is your tier.
 
Day 4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVOkGN3GelA

- (36:13) A rat looking mutant is capable to generate small explosions (Unknow).

- (1:08:40) The rooftop of the building get destroyed, its unsure if it had collapsed because of the weight of the giant monster or because of Eve (Small Building level).

Day 5:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLju78YBFyU

- (15:55) Mutant bats can generate powerful sonic screams (Wall level).

- (31:17) The giant slime monster collapse a portion of the sewer (Small Building level).

- (2:19:40) Eve call the giant slime monster which fuse together intro a humanoid giant, which steps can shake the ground and who had enough raw strength to destroy portions of buildings (Small Building level).

- (2:28:45) The giant slime monster generate a forcefield capable to withstand the firepower of both attack helicopters and fighter jets, while also show to generate energy blasts capable to oneshot them (Small Building level).

- (2:35:45) The giant slime monster grew to the size of the Statue of Liberty (Building level).

- (2:39:29) Eve survive the massive explosion which killed the giant slime monster.
 
And those are all the most notable feats from Parasite Eve 1.

By the way, about Eve tag the jets, she never trully did it.
 
Parasite Eve 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDU_0Bobn1s

- (22:26) The ANMC can easily overpower a SWAT unit and maul him to death (Wall level).

- (27:32) The ANMC can survive multiple shots in its chest and still be able to fight back (Wall level).

- (39:20) The mutanted human is capable to jump far more than a normal human can do.

- (3:39:45) Aya was able to kill a giant humanoid mutant who can shatter portions of building (Small Building level).
 
First things first sorry about the late response, the outer worlds came out and it required most of my attention, having beaten it my free time has returned.

Rat mutant while another solid feat likely doesn't break out of 9 a. Heck I'd be surprised if it was 9b.

Since it could just be attributed to weight Im gonna have to be against using this feat as justification. it just seems a bit to unclear.

Sonic screams should work though calcing sound is a pain from what I understand.

Sewer feat looks solid and should line up with the small building level ratings.

Another good feat

It growing to that size....Its tough Im not sure it's size increase would lead to an increase in ap. Especially as it's best feats are still destroying helicopters, Heck it used the statue of liberty to support its own weight...

Ummm, she doesn't tank any explosion she flies above the monster and after it dies to the explosion that misses her, she lands on the slime monster it becomes a women monster.

Ok the jet feat never happened thus we don't have any good speed feats. Anything else stand out or should we put them at athletic human likely super human,

Amnc overpowering swat....we don't see how it manages this feat, we just find it tearing into the swat officer and more physically overpowering an athletic human...Im not sure it actually breaks into wall level.

Surviving multiple shots to the chest is a stamina feat not ap or dura especially as its put down by a regular gun via headshot after that.

Jumping feats are more agility then anything, there's not strength/dura unless you calc the amount of dura required to tank the fall even then I doubt its worth calcing, even falling from low earth orbit is only wall level.

Yeah this is another solid 9a feat as she uses her grenade launcher and rifle.

The weapon used does destroy a town but theirs a major issue, it does so with multiple shots and the individual explosions don't actually seem that impressive. It knocked down a water tower and a destroyed the front of a building with it's single shots. So I don't think it actually reaches town level but I could be wrong, either way not sure it would scale to anyone.

It destorys a city but it does so by tearing down buildings and it doesn't do so instantly. So I think it falls to building level as it takes time for it to destroy the entire city. Even if it did somehow it wouldn't scale to anyone afaik.

Train derailment should work for wall level
 
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