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Demon of the Sword vs Hero of the Shield: Dante vs Naofumi

How big is the Naofumi Iwatani chain in low 2-c, since I think that Dante has one of the highest chains in low 2-c since it is stronger than urizen post demon fruit who is insolably stronger than post time urizen who was empowered for a whole month and with only two days to shoot at devil trigger dante who is at least three times stronger than a base dante who can trample on someone who is stronger than someone who is above the baseline so Imagine being fed with that power for a month that big is the power of Dante.
 
Mind manip resistance covers fear due to being a subset of it iirc. Can't Naofumi like reflect Dante's bullets?
 
"Godly" on this series just means "power from another world", so it doesn't need to be divine power to be nulled.
 
swords, projection of spectral swords that he uses to block and attack, extrasensory perception, attacks with ivoni and evory with normal bullets and royal guard if all that fails then uses deconstruction.
 
Naofumi scales to Medea, who: Can easily destroy the universe, including past, present and future. Required a universe made up of 8 universes fused together to manifest, because otherwise it couldn't contain the weight of her existence
 
or it was just that, I thought there was a chain since some profiles do not have the chain from which the character scales. So Dante can win by just breathing since Dante is:

Dante dmc5 final >>> nero> post fruit Qliphoth urizen >>>> urizen post timeskip (was a month absorbing power and with only two days shot at dmc5 initial devil trigger dante) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> base urizen >>>> devil trigger initial dante dmc5 >>> initial dante base dmc5 > dmc4 dante >> dmc2 dante> Beastheads> dmc2 novel dante >>>>>> void mundus>? <sparda prime> mundus = argosax >> Qliphoth>?<God of evil> = baseline
 
His resurrection is based on law hax or not? I want to say the profile says that the spirit of the shield resuscitates it but this has been shown to resuscitate after being destroyed in pedasos or in the worst case destroyed at the atomic level plus the fact that Dante can deny low high and see & kill souls of beings with low godly.
 
It ressurected him after he was conceptually erased across all parallel universes there was, so I guess he can ressurect from being atomized.
 
shit, like this is not a stomp his only way of victory is with sealing that can be canceled, redirected or dodged since it is a bullet.
 
How exactly does the Law manip works?

Also, this: "Required a universe made up of 8 universes fused together to manifest, because otherwise it couldn't contain the weight of her existence" definetly sounds like 2-C, I have seen characters with less info getting higher tiers than this and she isn't a solid 2-C.
 
It makes you obey the laws of the world and prevents the use of "godly" powers.

I didn't make the profiles so I'm not sure about that, and I mean, a universe made up of 8 universes can mean that it is a universe the size of 8 universes.
 
This confuses the heck out of me: "In case of the world Naofumi was summoned into this means that the opponent is bound to stats. For example the speed of a bullet within that world is dependent on the statistics of the one firing the gun and can be both faster or slower through that. It is also important that the HP dropping to 0 means death, meaning that immortality gets negated."

By this I could say that Dante has "stats" and his stats are at max but I really dunno what to say about it.
 
Yeah, is pretty confusing to me too. But what if Dante's stats aren't max in Naofumi's world?

Also, does Dante resist Causality Manipulation?, if not, Naofumi can also paradox him.
 
Wait, his resurrection is thanks to a spirit on his shield ? Dante can see, hit and sense spirits, he would attack it too

Also, his profile says "Reality Warping via Causality Manipulation" and Dante resists Reality Warping
 
He used his lawhax pretty soon againts Medea, so if this guy comes and kills him, he pretty much will do it instantly.

It would really depend if he attacks Naofumi first or if it attacks something else from Naofumi. I mean, Dante won't know the spirit works to revive Naofumi, so why would he attack it? please don't tell me because he attacks spirits
 
"Gods in the Rising of the Shield Hero verse are not mythological gods. Gods don't even have to be supernatural or non-human, but could also be humans with a sufficient mastery of science. Gods generally share the property of being immortal. They are often the results of ancient universes that have mastered their worlds science and/or magic to a high degree, having gained the power to rule their world as an individual. It is the latter characteristic the probably is the distinction between gods and non-gods in the verse."

This is what was defined as God more or less.

Dante can still battle, but he is bound by the rules of the world. Meaning everything is decided by stats - the speed of his projectiles, the strength of his blows. And that regardless the immortality he has, if HP reaches 0 he is out.

Now, whether you wanna consider any of Dante's skills to be fittingly called God Skills or abilities, that's another thing to argue.
 
Ionliosite said:
He used his lawhax pretty soon againts Medea, so if this guy comes and kills him, he pretty much will do it instantly.
It would really depend if he attacks Naofumi first or if it attacks something else from Naofumi. I mean, Dante won't know the spirit works to revive Naofumi, so why would he attack it? please don't tell me because he attacks spirits </div>
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He attacks his enemies, he will see the spirit, sense him and he can attack him, so why not ? It's his enemy just like Naofumi is

Also, I don't know if his resurrection works instantly, but Dante would also see the spirit going to help Nao, and attack him

So I'll go with Inconclusive, while Dante have AP (by far) and hax to win against Nao and the spirit rather quickly (and avoiding Resurrection by killing the spirit), he still vulnerable to his Law Hax that can be used quickly or take some time, so incon it is
 
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