(2v2) Naofumi & Raphtalia VS Daewi Han & Mira Yoo

[Phoenks]

I was originally going to make this instead of the Bleach VS GOH thing I did, but for some reason I choose that over this.

This one seems more viable. I also think its pretty cool to have two couples fight each other. Please, please don't be a stomp!

Both teams are completely legitimate by the current versus thread standards.

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Naofumi Iwatani & Raphtalia (The Rising of the Shield Hero) VS Daewi Han & Mira Yoo (The God of High School)​

Match Conditions​

• Q'ten Lo Arc Raphtalia is used. Naofumi with the Seven Star Staff is used. (Low 7-B)
• World Competition Arc Daewi Han and Mira Yoo are used. (Low 7-B)
• Speed is equalized.
• Match takes place in a colosseum.

 

[BoastJr]

The Seven Star Staff is interesting as Naofumi can actually attack here

Naofumi main method attack is charging Fenrir Force which is basically a giant beam attack. He can add Point of Focus to it which inflicts more Damage the Higher the Defense the enemy has (it was called Defense Rating attack and is effective against Tanky enemies)

This creates the Move Ragnarock Blaster which is a high concentrates Blast of Energy and its enough to kill Takt who was relative to Naofumi

Naofumi was toying with Takt the whole battle and commented on how many times he held back to not kill him with Fenrir Force or Ragnarock Blaster (since he used weaker versions of it and Takt was losing badly against him)

Naofumi is very good at dodging and reading his foes since Takt who was a Master Martial artist could not land a hit on him even as Naofumi charged his spells infront of him

Naofumi can use Air Strike Front Mirror around his foes and create a cage where his attacks would reflect off each mirror (such as Air Strike Blast) which creates the Move Blast Prison

Naofumi can also heal raphtalia with Drifa Heal and he is good at quickly casting spells

Naofumi and Raphtalia can use Form is Emptyness which confuses the Enemies

Their Main Strategy here would be for Raphtalia to use All First Hiding (Invisibility) or Illusions to buy time for Naofumi to use Ragnarock Blaster while Raphtalia can then try to rush then with her Vassal Sword Skills. Ragnarock Blaster is not something Daewi or Mira wants to get hit by

 

[DavidTPPM]

Genuinely fu©king tweaking, we really only either get 0 vs threads for months or 23 per day

 

[DavidTPPM]

Btw here's an image of Daewi and Mira fighting together in the World Comp arc

Since the current one made me think it's their 3-C key

 

[Phoenks]

I can't see that image?

 

[DavidTPPM]

I can't see that image?

Is Imgur fu©king with me again? Here's a different link for it ig

I'm kinda getting worried my imgur links are going to break or something

 

[DavidTPPM]

When you say you can't see it, what does it show you?

 

[Phoenks]

Btw I chose the current image cause it matches the pose of the Raphtalia one. Even down to both being in front of their man holding a sword lol

 

[YungManzi]

Low 7-B is a pretty tiny tier, so I don’t expect AP to mean much here. But Naofumi and Raphtalia scale several one-shots higher than the 4.3 megaton value they scale to. Honestly they should probably just be city level lol.

 

[Phoenks]

Both Daewi and Mira have very good reactive evolution so I doubt it'll mean much regardless. But The Shield Hero duo do start with a pretty good 4x AP advantage.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yeah Mira and Daewi will start out significantly weaker but after like 3 attacks they'll end up being at least slightly stronger.

I'll write out some standard tactics for them a little later but I'm not familiar with the shield hero duo at all so I'll need someone to tell me theirs

 

[BoastJr]

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Haven't focused too much on Q'ten lo arc in the LN

I do know that Naofumi was debuffed 3 times can fight the Bear Therianthrope who was knocking everyone around

Then he got access to EP and rest of the Shield Hero buffs (Believing in each others will increases each other's performance which he will get from raphtalia in this match)

As the Staff Hero

With Liberation Aura X (which provides him with a several times boost and atleast above the 3 times boost from the regular Liberation Aura), He can legitimately one shot Takt who scales much higher then level 120 Shield Hero Naofumi who scales scales higher then Level 80 Shield Hero Naofumi who fought the Spirit Turtle

There is one issue which is that Naofumi's defense as the Vassal Staff Hero is much much lower and he needs to constantly dodge and evade attacks from people like Takt (Dunno if Staff Hero's Naofumi defense in Liberation Aura X is better then his Shield Hero self without it)

 

[BoastJr]

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Normally its just Shield Hero Naofumi buffing everyone and then using Air Strike Shield and Meteor Shield to block attacks for raphtalia while she cleaves everyone, uses her Vassal Katana skills to blitz her target, illusions or go invisible

But, this is Staff Hero naofumi so its slightly different

Like I have said, He will buff raphtalia and himself with Liberation Aura X and then focus on charging powerful Magic Beam attacks while raphtalia will likely provide cover for him. The weakness is that Fenrir Force takes a while to charge.

Tbf, Naofumi never really fought with Raphtalia as the Staff Hero but his usual tactic against Takt was avoiding his attacks, misdirecting it and nearly oneshotting him with Fenrir Force or Ragnarock Blaster while holding back
(Naofumi will not hold back here and probably try to use his spells at X level)

He has Front Mirror which can reflect his own attacks or other attacks while providing some defense. It can make his attacks harder to avoid since he can also control it and move it abit for positioning. So basically his beam attacks can reflect off of it and hit his target at a angle he wants and can control abit.

Raphtalia has SSDB which can nullify many different Hero abilities like Master Levels, Growth Correction, Weapon Refinery, Job Levels etc but it is specific to Holy Hero or Vassal Wielders. I guess Verse Equalization changes how it interacts but it was useless in the Takt Fight since takt wasn't a Hero. It is also limited in where it can be used and more circumstancial

 

[YungManzi]

Yeah Mira and Daewi will start out significantly weaker but after like 3 attacks they'll end up being at least slightly stronger.

I'll write out some standard tactics for them a little later but I'm not familiar with the shield hero duo at all so I'll need someone to tell me theirs

I wouldn’t be so confident in that.

The shield duo, on top of having similar methods of getting stronger in battle, flat out can become city level here with Liberation Aura.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I wouldn’t be so confident in that.

The shield duo, on top of having similar methods of getting stronger in battle, flat out can become city level here with Liberation Aura.

I am pretty confident in that ngl.

At least Small City level (Should be at least as strong as before), up to Planet level with accelerated development

 

[YungManzi]

I am pretty confident in that ngl.

I thought this was the other small city level key ngl.

Hmm? I guess it depends on if they survive the initial one shot difference.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Normally its just Shield Hero Naofumi buffing everyone and then using Air Strike Shield and Meteor Shield to block attacks for raphtalia while she cleaves everyone, uses her Vassal Katana skills to blitz her target, illusions or go invisible

But, this is Staff Hero naofumi so its slightly different

Like I have said, He will buff raphtalia and himself with Liberation Aura X and then focus on charging powerful Magic Beam attacks while raphtalia will likely provide cover for him. The weakness is that Fenrir Force takes a while to charge.

Tbf, Naofumi never really fought with Raphtalia as the Staff Hero but his usual tactic against Takt was avoiding his attacks, misdirecting it and nearly oneshotting him with Fenrir Force or Ragnarock Blaster while holding back
(Naofumi will not hold back here and probably try to use his spells at X level)

He has Front Mirror which can reflect his own attacks or other attacks while providing some defense. It can make his attacks harder to avoid since he can also control it and move it abit for positioning. So basically his beam attacks can reflect off of it and hit his target at a angle he wants and can control abit.

How accurate are those projectiles? Mira and Daewi will try to read his patterns and predict+dodge them.

Especially in the world comp, Daewi is nerfed due to missing an eye (making his depth perception and FoV worse) and Mira was told he'll die soon, so they'll be defensive until they adapt enough to take the opponent down.

Raphtalia has SSDB which can nullify many different Hero abilities like Master Levels, Growth Correction, Weapon Refinery, Job Levels etc but it is specific to Holy Hero or Vassal Wielders. I guess Verse Equalization changes how it interacts but it was useless in the Takt Fight since takt wasn't a Hero. It is also limited in where it can be used and more circumstancial

Mira and Daewi aren't really people you could consider "heroes". Officially by world comp they're like 1 step away from being considered war criminals, so I'm not sure how that'd translate.

But generally they mostly use just martial arts and swordsmanship. The only supernatural ability besides that which Mira has is her borrowed power and here she purposely hides it until the last moment for a moment of surprise. So I'm not sure if there'll be anything to negate, tho I can't say for sure since I don't know much about the power null ability

 

[DavidTPPM]

I thought this was the other small city level key ngl.

They generally have the same reactive evolution in the other keys anyway.

Hmm? I guess it depends on if they survive the initial one shot difference.

They'd probably try to dodge regardless. They're tanks in the sense that they can take a lot of damage before going down but they (especially Mira) always try their best to avoid getting hit.

 

[YungManzi]

How accurate are those projectiles? Mira and Daewi will try to read his patterns and predict+dodge them.

Especially in the world comp, Daewi is nerfed due to missing an eye (making his depth perception and FoV worse) and Mira was told he'll die soon, so they'll be defensive until they adapt enough to take the opponent down.

Mira and Daewi aren't really people you could consider "heroes". Officially by world comp they're like 1 step away from being considered war criminals, so I'm not sure how that'd translate.

But generally they mostly use just martial arts and swordsmanship. The only supernatural ability besides that which Mira has is her borrowed power and here she purposely hides it until the last moment for a moment of surprise. So I'm not sure if there'll be anything to negate, tho I can't say for sure since I don't know much about the power null ability

We just equalize hero abilities to their non-hero counterparts.

So experience boost = accelerated development, so it would work. However; Raphtalia can’t use SSDB outside of Q’ten Lo tho, so she doesn’t have it here anyway.

 

[DavidTPPM]

We just equalize hero abilities to their non-hero counterparts.

So experience boost = accelerated development, so it would work.

Well if not being a "hero" works as a weakness in-universe I really don't think it's fair or accurate to equalize any abilities to hero abilities.

Especially if the hero abilities are some supernatural/magical shenanigans and we're equalizing them to just people swinging swords.

However; Raphtalia can’t use SSDB outside of Q’ten Lo tho, so she doesn’t have it here anyway.

Sure

 

[YungManzi]

Well if not being a "hero" works as a weakness in-universe I really don't think it's fair or accurate to equalize any abilities to hero abilities.

Especially if the hero abilities are some supernatural/magical shenanigans and we're equalizing them to just people swinging swords.

Sure

It is never portrayed as having a “weakness” with regards to it only working against heroes. More like heroes are the only ones with those OP abilities that SSDB specifically negates.

It’s not a “I negate all hero skills” barrier, it’s literally a barrier that negates each individual skill of heroes, all twelve of them and more; because Q’ten Lo as a country has a history of fighting heroes and they needed to come up with several methods of countering their OP abilities.

It’s like saying armament haki was made to harm logia’s, and since you’re not a logia, armament haki doesn’t work on you.

 

[BoastJr]

How accurate are those projectiles? Mira and Daewi will try to read his patterns and predict+dodge them.

Naofumi has fought Takt who is a winner of a martial artist tournament and is considerably refined and master magic at 3 years old. Naofumi still curbstomped him in the fight and humiliated him as most of his beam attacks landed on Takt (the first Fenrir Force missed because Naofumi wasn't accustomed to it)

Now Naofumi has clever ways to trap his opponents. Remember what I said about the reflecting mirrors (Front Mirror)

Naofumi can use it to reflect his own spells and make a cage of sorts, which can easily catch his targets inside with an explosion

Some additional skillslop

Naofumi can easily dodge takt's attacks (whether its Sp skills that fire projectiles, whip attacks or melee attacks) like its nothing and read his attacks accordingly. Naofumi can also interfere or parry said melee attacks just as easily

 

[DavidTPPM]

It’s not a “I negate all hero skills” barrier, it’s literally a barrier that negates each individual skill of heroes, all twelve of them and more; because Q’ten Lo as a country has a history of fighting heroes and they needed to come up with several methods of countering their OP abilities.

Idk that does sound like it's limited to a specific type of ability. Like don't they use something like magic or something like that?

It’s like saying armament haki was made to harm logia’s, and since you’re not a logia, armament haki doesn’t work on you.

Ngl I'm not familiar with OP at all

 

[BoastJr]

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To give a quick lore dump

Holy Heroes (Shield, Spear, Sword, Hunting etc) and Vassal Wielders (Katana, Sewing, Boat, Gauntlet, Staff etc) are chosen by their Respective Weapons

Each Spirit of said Weapon lends their power to said Hero in various ways after choosing them as their wielder

The Spear Hero has Weapon Refinement as their Power up method

The Bow Hero has Job Level as their Power up method

The Sword Hero has Weapon Mastery as their Power Up Method

This basically gives them extra stats or new minor abilities if they use them

Growth Correction is also a trait that belongs to Heroes specfically that makes allies (slaves or friends) stronger and level up faster

Takt stole the Vassal Weapons (7 of them) as well as the Shield but he did not receive much of the Boost of said power up methods and could only draw out little of their true power. Takt also did not have Growth Correction or Status Adjustment as noted by Naofumi despite having all the weapons as he wasn't a real hero

The SSDB can negate this methods and weaken the Heroes because they were made to counter the Heroes if said Heroes went Rouge.

 

[BoastJr]

Like don't they use something like magic or something like that?

There is various Energy systems and stuff more relegated to Heroes

Everyone :

• Magic (Base, Zweite, Drifa class)
• Hengen Musuo (Basically Ki and it can be used by pretty much anyone. Mostly for ignoring defense by dumping life force into the target, redirecting projectiles or makinh barriers)

Heroes :

• Skills (Consumes SP)
• Power up Methods (From Each Weapon)
• Liberation Class Magic (this is superior to Drifa and has more potent effects)

 

[DavidTPPM]

Naofumi has fought Takt who is a winner of a martial artist tournament and is considerably refined and master magic at 3 years old. Naofumi still curbstomped him in the fight and humiliated him as most of his beam attacks landed on Takt (the first Fenrir Force missed because Naofumi wasn't accustomed to it)
Some additional skillslop

Naofumi can easily dodge takt's attacks (whether its Sp skills that fire projectiles, whip attacks or melee attacks) like its nothing and read his attacks accordingly. Naofumi can also interfere or parry said melee attacks just as easily

Ngl that's not really impressive for GoH standards. Here's a snippet of what I said about it in a recent thread.

Mira can read and analyze the attack pattern and intentions of people like Ilpyo, even adapting to his predictions in a way that he can't predict her. This is impressive because Ilpyo was literally schooling Mori for majority of their fight, completely reading, out-predicting, and outskilling him on multiple occasions.

This means her analytical skills should be at least in a comparable ballpark to people like Mori and Baek. Mori who could instantly analyze how the wave of blue dragon (a 4 step martial art combination that directs the air currents caused by the set up into a final massive attack) to the point he only completely countered it but even copied and improved it. Baek has an even crazier feat of completely reading the flow of a fight down to completely illogical intentions of people within it (like cutting off your own arm) just by looking at the destroyed battlefield despite having 0 knowledge on the participants or motivation behind the fight.

And that's just prediction shenanigans. I could go on and on about how busted their general martial arts are if you want (for example basic renewal is said to make you as efficient in combat 1 soldier who knows renewal is equal to 20-50 soldiers)

Both Daewi and Mira here are vastly more skilled than in this arc as well.

 

[Phoenks]

This don't deserve to die ;/

 

[BoastJr]

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I believe We have provided enough information on Naofumi and Raphtalia to generalise their moveset and usual Strategies they will employ (There isn't much else really)

If you are still interested in this matchup, do provide Daewi and Mira's General strategy so that we can move forward in this thread and reach a conclusion

I do wish to keep this thread alive as well

 

[DavidTPPM]

If you are still interested in this matchup, do provide Daewi and Mira's General strategy so that we can move forward in this thread and reach a conclusion

Mira and Daewi are both primarily close range fighters so they'll immediately try to get close and personal.
Mira is at this point the more cunning one of the 2. She'd start by analyzing the opponents and try to find a way to land a quick surprise attack to end the fight while avoiding their attacks. Mira often hides her abilities for a last moment surprise such as the fact she can summon her BP behind the opponent to stab them, her barehanded sword style, her horse which she can summon anywhere in her nearby vicinity to pin down the opponent, and her swords ability to teleport. Not to mention her stat boost from her borrowed power.

Daewi is more straightforward here, especially because he can't summon his water manip in this key. He's generally about as skilled as Mira but he uses more standard tactics and martial arts. He'd fight in a way to try to set up his wave of blue dragon which is strong enough to nearly take down people that can tank his normal hits.

Together they'd carefully analyze how their opponents fight while trying to get close enough to jump them. At that point they'd separate them, either based on their match ups or by power (with Daewi letting Mira fight the stronger one).

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Defensively they're extremely tanky. They can both take ridiculous amounts of damage without stopping to the point it's probably easier to kill them than to knock them out. What's worse is that the more pressured they are the faster they'll improve both in skill and in stats. A good example is Mira vs Saturn where Mira went from getting overwhelmed to perception blitzing and one shotting after taking nearly fatal amounts of damage and pain. So even if they were to struggle at first (given they have a stat disadvantage) they should quickly catch up and even surpass their opponents.

They're also generally protective of each other so in case one of them sees the other struggling they'd jump in to help. This can be both a weakness and a strength since it allows Mira to cover Daewis blind spot (since he's missing an eye) but also makes it so she can lose focus when fighting someone close to her skill level.

(btw if you want scans for anything just lmk. Daewis profile is sucky af rn so I know it's probably missing a lot of info, but since imgur has been fighting me recently it would take me forever to get scans for literally everything)

 

[DavidTPPM]

I do wish to keep this thread alive as well

Bro really said this and the left me on read

 

[YungManzi]

Ok, I’m gonna actually try to form an argument beyond “whoever amps high enough to one shot first wins.”

Ok so, first off. This stronger version of Naofumi is technically nerfing the team as a whole, since even when he was weaker, he just has better abilities and synergy with Raphtalia as the Shield Hero.

Raphtalia also never fought alongside staff hero Naofumi, as she was missing for that half of the arc.

So I ask the OP if they want to continue knowing that?

 

[Phoenks]

Oh I just used strongest version cus thought it would be better. But if the other key has more synergy I will change to that.

 

[YungManzi]

So Naofumi and Raphtalia can both negate stat amps and accelerated development in these keys, and they spammed those abilities in Q’ten Lo.

I don’t see resistance.

 

[DavidTPPM]

So Naofumi and Raphtalia can both negate stat amps and accelerated development in these keys, and they spammed those abilities in Q’ten Lo.

I don’t see resistance.

How does that work tho? Do they stop their muscles from growing? Do they somehow stop them from controlling their own punches more accurately? Can they cut the spiritual (currently conceptual) connection between Mira and Lu Bu?

Because the whole idea sounds extremely verse specific and nothing like how GoH works from what I'm reading here

 

[BoastJr]

Bro really said this and the left me on read

I was distracted

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Its more so just magically making characters weaker. They just lose their passive buffs and well feel "heavier". Naofumi said that he felt sluggish when exposed to the Debuffs.

Let me read Volume 14-15 and I can probably find the exact quote.

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Their strat would be for Naofumi to hang back while raphtalia tries to CQC the Two

Naofumi has amped ranged attack and could provide cover but his best bet is Front Mirror + Ragnarok Blaster. This would send a beam that reflects off Front Mirror and maybe catch the two at unpredictable angles

Ragnarock Blaster and Fenrir Force are difficult for Takt to avoid and he was consistently hit by it

 

[DavidTPPM]

I was distracted

Yeah np, I was mostly joking.

Its more so just magically making characters weaker. They just lose their passive buffs and well feel "heavier". Naofumi said that he felt sluggish when exposed to the Debuffs.

So they can just get even stronger to make up for it

Their strat would be for Naofumi to hang back while Raphtalia tries to CQC the Two

 

[BoastJr]

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The synergy isn't that amazing tbf. Its just Shield Hero naofumi blocking and tanking attacks while raphtalia flanks or blitzes or goes invisible. Naofumi can dodge but he has to position himself infront of raphtalia. wrath shield doesn't provide that much Benefit but naofumi is pretty much a Wall inverse.

In contrast, Staff Hero Naofumi has much lower defense and is worse then itsuki who has the lowest defense out of the 4 Heroes. Staff Hero Naofumi is a easy target since he has to charge attacks and dodge while charging

 

[YungManzi]

How does that work tho? Do they stop their muscles from growing? Do they somehow stop them from controlling their own punches more accurately? Can they cut the spiritual (currently conceptual) connection between Mira and Lu Bu?

Because the whole idea sounds extremely verse specific and nothing like how GoH works from what I'm reading here

In-verse, everyone has “stats” (Number which represents your statistics) literally a game UI.

They equip the weapons, which gives them equip effects, which are basically passive while you’re holding the weapon. It’s an ability that automatically activates when you uphold a condition, like striking Naofumi’s shield. The effects for this one, are that you get weaker while they get stronger . And it’s pnull instead of statistics reduction because what they are actually doing is negating stat amps and accelerated development.

Here’s them using it on people who aren’t heroes.

Very next page

 

[DavidTPPM]

In-verse, everyone has “stats” (Number which represents your statistics) literally a game UI.

They equip the weapons, which gives them equip effects, which are basically passive while you’re holding the weapon. It’s an ability that automatically activates when you uphold a condition, like striking Naofumi’s shield. The effects for this one, are that you get weaker while they get stronger . And it’s pnull instead of statistics reduction because what they are actually doing is negating stat amps and accelerated development.

Here’s them using it on people who aren’t heroes.

Very next page

Well weapons in GoH work kidna the other way around where instead of increasing your stats they use your own power. So that's not really going to do anything.

As for AD null I still don't understand HOW it works. Because the verse seems to work on some sort of magic/mana system while AD in GoH has nothing to do with anything like that. Basically the same concerns I listed here

Do they stop their muscles from growing? Do they somehow stop them from controlling their own punches more accurately? Can they cut the spiritual (currently conceptual) connection between Mira and Lu Bu?

Because of course Mira and Daewi aren't going to have resistance to some magic reduction hax when they don't even have magic to begin with.

 

[YungManzi]

Well weapons in GoH work kidna the other way around where instead of increasing your stats they use your own power. So that's not really going to do anything.

Legitimately doesn’t matter. Heroes do both and can be negged.

As for AD null I still don't understand HOW it works. Because the verse seems to work on some sort of magic/mana system while AD in GoH has nothing to do with anything like that. Basically the same concerns I listed here

Because of course Mira and Daewi aren't going to have resistance to some magic reduction hax when they don't even have magic to begin with.

You asked how it activates, it activates automatically in response to Mira and Daewi attacking as long as they have them out. As soon as they attack, it shoots a beam that hits them and pnulls them while making Naofumi and Raph stronger.

Scan for that above, with more if u want.
If you’re asking how exactly it works…

If you’re looking for what exactly “enhancement” means, it’s literally just anything that increases your stats.

As I said, “In-verse, everyone has “stats” (Number which represents your statistics) literally a game UI.”

Could be a direct magic stat boost, indirect magic one, spiritual/ancestral boosts (SS), spiritual skills, empowerment, power from a weapon, directly manipulating your statistics with stat manipulation, and even you eating food which increased your growth rate. All of it are enhancements that just gets negged, while they get stronger, and now you’re weak enough to one shot.

And if you aren’t, Naofumi just amps himself and Raphtalia by 3x, and now you’re definitely weak enough to one-shot.

Ngl, going through these are making me want to work on the verse again, because Sakura Stone Weapons hax should be above baseline too, and even more powerful than what’s on the profile, but I just can’t argue it smh.