Super Ascended Sean Pazdera said:
The fact that Monsters use Monster Food to heal at all, "Ice cream in one hand, sword in the other," as the toothy monster puts it. Monsters have hundreds of thousands of health. If Flowey hadn't been defeated by Sans, Flowey wouldn't have been afraid of him. Heck, Flowey was afraid of what Sans would do to Frisk even AFTER the child had beaten Photoshop Flowey. I did mean Flowey. And yes, Flowey has beaten Asgore. In the Genocide Route, Flowey has mentioned that he's killed everyone in a few resets. This includes Asgore, but he would have had a lot of LOVE by then. The reason Flowey couldn't and originally didn't kill Asgore during the game is because Asgore revealed the SOULs, which Flowey couldn't take from Asgore without killing him. And he couldn't have killed him because he was deliberately not killing anyone so he could watch Frisk.
Still, there is nothing stating that it's different, I understand your reasoning behind saying that it's different, but without solid evidence, it can't really be proven, and even if this is true, it still wouldn't change how much Sans damages Asgore, and Asgore doesn't use healing items as far as we know, at least he doesn't do it in his fight so it can't really be applied here. "Monsters have hundreds of thousands of health" do you mean or? Cause Undyne the Undying only has 23,000 HP, Asgore himself only has 3,500 HP. I'm not saying Flowey didn't get defeated by Sans, I'm saying we don't know exactly what happened during their fights, we don't know the conditions, and we don't know how much LV Flowey may have had at the time either, we also have almost no idea how strong base Flowey is, he's still weaker than Asgore anyways, he even stated he'd never beat Asgore without Frisk's help, implying that even if he gained LOVE he still would be incapable of doing so, considering the fact that he directly stated he would literally "NEVER" have gotten past him. I'm not denying that Frisk would lose to Sans either, but that still doesn't really mean much since Sans is more of a counter to Frisk than Asgore. While I doubt Sans would do any more or less damage to Asgore because of the difference between monster HP and human HP, it's undeniable that Asgore has, many, many times more HP than Frisk, and since Sans speciality is melting HP before getting hit or running out of stamina, fighting an opponent with low HP is a lot easier, then you need to take into account the fact that Asgore has Danmaku, while Frisk just attacks once per turn. Yes he did say that, he's stated before that he's done literally everything he can do, but it's possible that he wasn't being completely accurate, I mean, him saying he killed everyone would mean he's also killed Sans, and either way it's contradicted by him saying he never would have gotten past Asgore, and let's say he did kill Asgore, it's also possible he pulled some trick to do it, Flowey's not exactly what I would call a fair fighter. "The reason Flowey couldn't and originally didn't kill Asgore during the game is because Asgore revealed the SOULs, which Flowey couldn't take from Asgore without killing him. And he couldn't have killed him because he was deliberately not killing anyone so he could watch Frisk", Flowey takes the souls during the Pacifist Route while Asgore and everyone else are having a reunion, so I doubt he simply can't take the souls without Asgore's death, but that's kind of a mute point. Overall, even if we say this is true, and that Flowey has killed Asgore before via LOVE, I still don't see how it means Sans would beat Asgore.
