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Hello. This is a thread that will be discussing the upgrade attempt. In the previous thread it was agreed to make a thread but was unsure who should do it. To avoid wasting anymore time I've taken in upon myself to make this thread, as the one who wished the upgrade originally wanted either me or another to do it. In the last thread was highlighted the following issues:
Previous Threads Issues:
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Discord has 2 statements (not feats) that may imply 3-A or perhaps even Low 2-C depending on other factors. Some of these are in the Season 9 Finale. The examples of such are noted below in the following time stamps:
However, before we do this... We need to relook at "To Where and Back".. A statement was treated as hax / spatial manipulation:
Discord: So I'm able to rip the very fabric of reality again
Discord: Yes, but when the throne is destroyed, I'll be able to rip the very fabric of reality to save our friends, while you'll still be a self-absorbed, below-average illusionist!
This statement is weird, but spatial manipulation wouldn't really help out here in terms of context. He hasn't shownt he ability to warp to another person's location, and teleportation doesn't exactly twist the fabric of reality. It affects space. So this seems to be more AP oriented based on this context as nn implications of it just being 'moving through space' is noted or even remotely implie. Plus, the "fabric of reality" has been shown to be used as justification for Low 2-C on various profiles:
At this time stamp Pinkie backs this up by stating with DIscord's power she can tear apart the cosmos, reforming it to make one big paty
Arguments: Pinkie is one of the few whose aware of other realities, such as her cameo alongside EqG Pinkie and hte indication they switch a lot. Secondly she can understand the concepts of space-time and even the concept of 4-Dimensional conceps surprisingly as mentioned in Friendship Games. She was also the only one able to keep it together "somewhat" as the Chaotic form and even use it's power, so she has more merit to her statement than most would believe.
To support this statement not being an out of nowhere outlier: Midnight Sparkle "from Friendship Games" was stated to be capable of destroying both the Equestria Reality & Equestria Universes, hinting this is very likely Low 2-C as the feat was over time, but would be significantly above baseline:
Another indication was during Mirror Magic, when Sci-Twi herself stated it as such, and due to the fact she was essentially Midnight in this timeframe it should be notable: Twilight Sparkle: Overpowered by a magic I couldn't control and created a rift between two worlds, almost destroying both of them in the process.
Then there was a statement within the movie Friendship Games when the direct indication she was at least destroying Equestria:
Arguments: Originally the feat was merely deemed as an outlier and due to previous notions that they are complete fodder so it would mean the likes of... "Unicorns" would scale above them , but due to the statements within Equestria Girls byTwilight Sparkle there are statements that the power of the Elements in Equestia Girls actually exceeds Discord's by a significant amount by the end. So Midnight Sparkle's feat would support the level of power of being equal or above Discord would imply.
Decision (Based on personal Opinions). There are 3 potential Options: 1) There are 3 Options for the 3-A/Low 2-C Discord:
This is the main bulk of the argument. Lightbuster may want to add a few things but this is about it. Feel free to give your feedback below. Have a nice day and happy debating here...
Previous Threads Issues:
- Lord Tirek AP (Completed)
- Elements of Harmony Abilities (Completed - added: Purification)
- Low Alicorn and High Unicorns (Completed - Downgrade to Low 4-C)
- Tempest Shadow Bombs (Completed - Downgrade to Low 4-C)
- Trixie Lulamoo w/ Alicorn Amulet (Completed - likely Low 4-C)
- Twilight Sparkle (Pony World) (Completed - Staff of Sacanas as optional equipment)
- Starswirl the Bearded (Completed - Durability higher with shields)
- Celestia and Others Upgrade
- EQG Keys and Scaling
- Discord Abilities
- Rainbow Roadtrip
- Cozy Glow Profile (TBA)
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... Last Warning
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... Okay:
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Discord has 2 statements (not feats) that may imply 3-A or perhaps even Low 2-C depending on other factors. Some of these are in the Season 9 Finale. The examples of such are noted below in the following time stamps:
However, before we do this... We need to relook at "To Where and Back".. A statement was treated as hax / spatial manipulation:
Discord: So I'm able to rip the very fabric of reality again
Discord: Yes, but when the throne is destroyed, I'll be able to rip the very fabric of reality to save our friends, while you'll still be a self-absorbed, below-average illusionist!
This statement is weird, but spatial manipulation wouldn't really help out here in terms of context. He hasn't shownt he ability to warp to another person's location, and teleportation doesn't exactly twist the fabric of reality. It affects space. So this seems to be more AP oriented based on this context as nn implications of it just being 'moving through space' is noted or even remotely implie. Plus, the "fabric of reality" has been shown to be used as justification for Low 2-C on various profiles:
- El Reverso : Universe Level+ ((Absorbed the Arsenist after he absorbed the massive plothole, which was capable of destroying the fabric of reality)
- Korvac (Marvel Comics): Universe level+ (Easily overpowered and killed Starhawk's Astral Form in a battle that was described as an upheval to the fabric of reality
At this time stamp Pinkie backs this up by stating with DIscord's power she can tear apart the cosmos, reforming it to make one big paty
Arguments: Pinkie is one of the few whose aware of other realities, such as her cameo alongside EqG Pinkie and hte indication they switch a lot. Secondly she can understand the concepts of space-time and even the concept of 4-Dimensional conceps surprisingly as mentioned in Friendship Games. She was also the only one able to keep it together "somewhat" as the Chaotic form and even use it's power, so she has more merit to her statement than most would believe.
To support this statement not being an out of nowhere outlier: Midnight Sparkle "from Friendship Games" was stated to be capable of destroying both the Equestria Reality & Equestria Universes, hinting this is very likely Low 2-C as the feat was over time, but would be significantly above baseline:
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Sugarcoat: At least they didn't manipulate Twilight into releasing all the stolen magic and turning into a power-crazed magical creature that tried to rip the world apart just to win a game
Then there was a statement within the movie Friendship Games when the direct indication she was at least destroying Equestria:
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Sci-Twi (Midnight Sparkle):There's a whole other world right there and it's just filled with magic! Sunset: But you're destroying this world to get it!
Arguments: Originally the feat was merely deemed as an outlier and due to previous notions that they are complete fodder so it would mean the likes of... "Unicorns" would scale above them , but due to the statements within Equestria Girls byTwilight Sparkle there are statements that the power of the Elements in Equestia Girls actually exceeds Discord's by a significant amount by the end. So Midnight Sparkle's feat would support the level of power of being equal or above Discord would imply.
Decision (Based on personal Opinions). There are 3 potential Options: 1) There are 3 Options for the 3-A/Low 2-C Discord:
- Option 1 is to go based on the fact we've seen through the verse that Discord isn't this unattainable level of power... The Elements, All-Alicorn Twilight / Rainbow Power Post-Mane SixTirek, EqG Dazzlings, EqG EoH & those scaling upward , Etc have all indications of being > Discord and as a result would be affected.
- Option 2 is have everyone Celestia/Luna Level scale to Discord due to being roughly about 1/2 - 1/3rd of his power.
- Option 3 is to have Discord only scaling to it and every other indicaion being PIS because he holds back a lot.
This is the main bulk of the argument. Lightbuster may want to add a few things but this is about it. Feel free to give your feedback below. Have a nice day and happy debating here...