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Ren Amamiya vs Archie Sonic

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Joker has a resistance to fate hax, but probably not on the level of Sonic's since his can affect Acausality Type 4 2-A's, I think.
 
Yeah um...when tf has it done that? He has fatehax? Sure. But the one time it's explicitly mentioned is by MM and he sure isn't a type 4 acausal and not normally 2-A.
 
It has literally never been stated to. Heck, the Scourge instance everyone brings up is never stated to be a result of fatehax. It's a pure unadulterated speculation. The fatehax is vague as all hell in canon.
 
I won't argue any further since I have no proper knowledge of Archie Sonic. So if Sonic's fate hax is baseline or above (however you measure fate hax), Joker probably resists it. That's actually a question I have, how does one measure the level of a character's fate hax excluding dimensions?
 
You don't, really. Aside from dimensionality, basic Fate hax is Fate hax if it's useful. You can only go down, not up.
 
Fatehax wasn't really shown in affect against Enerjak because he was in control of the fight the whole time and wasn't necessarily in danger of dying.Hell,Enerjak said that he couldn't beat Super Sonic.
 
Type 4 MM is only Type 4 when he's non-corporeal and fused with the Chaos Force. He was very much physical when he said that infamous line.

Also it makes zero sense for the Chaos Force to be affected by the fatehax because that's what gives Sonic it in the first place.
 
>MM was referring to the Fatehax affecting him when he was 2-A,and twice it ultimately caused him to fall.He said he didn't want to try anything because he feared the same thing would happen again.He even claims he would instead outlive Sonic instead of fight him.

>Uhh Chaos Control allowed Sonic to erase the Chaos Force so that makes no sense to really claim.You can hurt Chaos Force entities with Chaos Energy/Hax.
 
The real cal howard said:
Type 4 MM is only Type 4 when he's non-corporeal and fused with the Chaos Force. He was very much physical when he said that infamous line.

Also it makes zero sense for the Chaos Force to be affected by the fatehax because that's what gives Sonic it in the first place.
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He was physical and speaking in the past-tense, so of course he isn't gonna be the same. Not being snarky btw, I'm just on the move.
 
"Uhh Chaos Control allowed Sonic to erase the Chaos Force so that makes no sense to really claim."

Keep your internal consistency, gosh darn it. This is like if Link used the Triforce to destroy the Golden Goddesses. It makes zero sense and turns your franchise to an inconsistency.
 
He was physical and speaking in the past-tense, so of course he isn't gonna be the same. Not being snarky btw, I'm just on the move.

Don't worry best buddy I didn't take it that way.
 
So Sonic is completely unstoppable in his verse then is what you're saying. He could spend his days going to town on Sally and the multiverse will align it so Enerjak will trip on a banana if he's planning to nuke it all.
 
The real cal howard said:
"Uhh Chaos Control allowed Sonic to erase the Chaos Force so that makes no sense to really claim."

Keep your internal consistency, gosh darn it. This is like if Link used the Triforce to destroy the Golden Goddesses. It makes zero sense and turns your franchise to an inconsistency.
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That's because the Triforce is Omnipotent you fool!!!!!

>That's a bad example as the GG's are vastly superior to the Triforce because they created it.Mammoth Mogul is one with the Chaos Force and isn't superior to it so another Chaos Power could affect him.We accept that Sonic can use CC to erase and affect the Chaos Force.If CC can do so,I don't see why Sonic's fatehax couldn't either.They were granted to him by the Ancient Walkers the gods of the Chaos Force.
 
The real cal howard said:
So Sonic is completely unstoppable in his verse then is what you're saying. He could spend his days going to town on Sally and the multiverse will align it so Enerjak will trip on a banana if he's planning to nuke it all.
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I mean Sonic can lose but just not die in the verse.Fatehax doesn't protect everyone around him just himself from dying.
 
Doesn't sound like he's capable of losing at all if the literal strongest force in the series keeps you safe and sound. I mean, he can erase the thing that gives him his powers for crying out loud. Sounds like a dude who can never be defeated ever, even in his base form.
 
>Sonic erased his powers by accident due to Eggman crashing into him and using an imperfect Chaos Control.

>Chaos Control ignores dura an Sonic did it on accident afterall.

>Bad writing is Bad writing.

>I could argue Sonic being stronger as he's the embodiment of Chaos
 
So you're telling me Sonic is so powerful that he's accidentally the strongest being in his verse? We're they trying to be Saitama? Or were they trying to tell an actual story?
 
Seems more like you are disliking the writting than debunking the actual claims of fate hax, it being bad writting is irrelevant in a battle board scenario, they don't writte thinking about how Sonic will fight in a battle board
 
Er, can't blame it on the writing when they had do it for legal reasons. Besides, the Chaos Emeralds still gave Sonic the same power (not FateHax) in Worlds Unite.
 
Sonic can still preform CC to such a degree but Eggman interrupted him causing him to accidentally erase the Chaos Force.Sonic is the embodiment of Chaos afterall and was stated to be more connected to Chaos energy than pretty much anyone by Eggman.
 
Theuser789 said:
Seems more like you are disliking the writting than debunking the actual claims of fate hax, it being bad writting is irrelevant in a battle board scenario, they don't writte thinking about how Sonic will fight in a battle board
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Oh, of course. I'm just curious. I mean, it can't be bad righting, right? Everyone says how good the Archieverse is. They wouldn't write a scenario that makes so there's literally zero stakes in the entire series. They're not hacks who would write a story with an invincible protagonist. This is Sonic, not a trashy Isekai. Like, that has nothing to do with a battle board, but of how Sonic would need to do stuff in-series, or not need to do stuff.
 
Alright,I understand your frustrations with Archie Sonic but the attitude needs to stop because it's literally anything but productive.I even agree that the writing in Archie's Sonic is crap sometimes but still people enjoy it and hating on it doesn't change a thing so can we all drop the accusations and get back on track?
 
@Oblivion Lightning Would future Vs Threads work if the OP cancels Sonic's FateHax? Or is that not possible?
 
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