Discussing the distance between SS and SKP (Calc Group members only)

In the past few months a number of Bleach threads has been made to discuss the possibility for this calc to be calc stacking,but none of these threads were concluded despite how important this calc is for the Bleach verse and how simple the points about it

So i was asked to create a thread for calc group members only to deside whether this calc qualify as calc stacking or not

i'll put the most important arguments\counter arguments that was already made for those who don't have enough knowledge of the verse

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• Calc stacking refers to the practice of using results from one calculation in order to calculate other feats. the reason why calc stacking is not accepted on this wiki is because of the possibility to change speed from one scene to another scene as fictional character's powers tend to be inconsistent

example of calc stacking,ichigo performed a relativistic feat at another time

later he takes 9 hours to travel from SKP to SS

relativistic*time = distance ,now this is calc stackig

as i explained above calc stacking needs 2 feats to be stacked,however that doesn't apply here since we are talking about one quantifiable ,uninterrupted feat

yes,ichigo starts at chapter 555 ,he stated that he will force himself to get to soul society in a half day ,he stated that he will hurry during the trip ,he arrives at chapter 581 ,he makes in it in total of 9 hours .15 minutes

• It won't be calc stacking if we find ichigo's final velocity in the same scene casuse its one scenario

• It won't be calc stacking if we multiply the acceleration of ichigo by the time he took to land " squared by two" and divided by two to get the distance cause it's one scenario.

points like occuring offscreen or that fact it spanned 30 chapters to try to make it different scenes and prove calc stacking is ridiculous

how long it took for the feat to occur and happening offscreen doesn't matter and doesn't change the fact that it's one feat

Let's say I dropped a stone from a height,i have someone film me drop the stone.

Then that someone decides to film other things,but that doesn't mean because he shifted from filming the stone falling,that the stone would basically hang or hold still in the air.

While his filming other things the stone would still be falling.He then now shifts over to filming the stone once again and this time it captures the stone hitting the ground.

the same thing happend here,but it's over 9 hours

There was a war going,ichigo took nearly half a day to finish his journey

it's impossible that it would be done within a single panel since there were tons of events/fights that kubo would simply have to skip

ichigo's stamina


another point that people bring is ichigo's stamina,people are assuming that ichigo will get tired during the journey so he would rest and then go again while simply ignoring ichigo's stamina and the situation he is in

• Ichigo in a far weaker form could fight for 5 days nonstop against urahara to trai

• ichigo could run on a treadmill designed to drain energy for 5 days nonstop

• ichigo managed to fight somone for 3 monthes within the dangai

ichigo's maximum speed


what about ichigo's maximum speed?there are only 2 possibilites

• Ichigo did reach his maximum velocity during the trip
  if Ichigo did hit his highest speed during the course he would have insured,but that would only suggest higher results since we are assuming that he reached that speed even before he land

• Ichigo didn't reach his maximum velocity during the trip
  since we see ichigo while diving still making boost ,this is also a safer assumption since every one knows that ichigo's speed exceeds mach 400,he even has his own relativistic feat in the same form

either way,it won't realy matter


any opinions are pretty much appreciated

Eh, I'm just going to say exactly the same thing as the last time I was asked about that calc:

To clarify: One can argue this over calc stacking, but that isn't the main point. The main point is that the assumption of constant acceleration is unjustified.

I don't want to drail the thread since iam not a CGM but i will just quote this so we can settle this point out

ichigo's stamina


another point that people bring is ichigo's stamina,people are assuming that ichigo will get tired during the journey so he would rest and then go again while simply ignoring ichigo's stamina and the situation he is in

• Ichigo in a far weaker form could fight for 5 days nonstop against urahara to trai

• ichigo could run on a treadmill designed to drain energy for 5 days nonstop

• ichigo managed to fight somone for 3 monthes within the dangai

ichigo's maximum speed


there are only 2 possibilites

• Ichigo did reach his maximum velocity during the trip
  if Ichigo did hit his highest speed during the course he would have insured,but that would only suggest higher results since we are assuming that he reached that speed even before he landed

• Ichigo didn't reach his maximum velocity during the trip
  since we see ichigo while diving still making boost ,this is also a safer assumption since every one knows that ichigo's speed exceeds mach 400,he even has his own relativistic feat in the same form

Either way,it won't realy matter that much

@DontTalkDT

Thank you for helping out.

@Sekkonds: Aside from none of this proving that he can go top speed for 10 hours (remaining active for long Ôëá remaining at constant top velocity that long), non of that supports constant acceleration.

And at the point where you say that he was just constantly going at his top speed you might as well argue "it isn't calc stacking cause he has no reason to not go at top speed the entire time" for every calc stacking case. Authors just aren't that consistent. So yeah, that argument doesn't work for the same reason it doesn't for every other calc stacking attempt.

Okay,let me sum it that way

• Ichigo could fight for 3 months nonstop using his full power aganist someone who was stomping him and after the fight he wasn't even tired
• ichigo with far less spiritual energy 500 chapters earlier could run on a treadmill that was designed to absorb his spiritual energy for 5 days at least

So,which one is harder?

A_running on a treadmill that was designed to drain your spiritual energy for 5 days at least "with captain level spiritual energy"

B_running on the air for 9 hours from up to down with gravity's help and nothing to absorb you spiritual energy? "With like SoulKing spiritual energy"

"None of that supports constant acceleration"

Well that was actually to prove his stamina.you told us to take Stamina and maximum speed into account

I won't answer the last part cause no one ever tried to use his top speed or the calc would be relativistic x 9 hours and yes it would be calc stacking then

Authors just aren't that consistent This could be used to disprove any calc but here kubo gave us the time frame,the final speed,the character's stamina,ichigo's statment that he will hurry like hell all the way down to SS when he knew that there's a war and his friends are getting killed

This is more than consistent and this is a calculable feat

Sorry for my English,iam not a native english speaker

> the final speed

Technically Kubo did not give us the final speed, did he? That's something that was calced, using a distance that was calced and an assumed timeframe.

They are making a storm in a glass of water, they seem to make an effort not to understand the thing, sir.

We have:

• Evidence that Ichigo can keep this speed constant.

• Evidence that friction cannot interfere with this.

• We have Ichigo saying that he would hurry like hell to reach his destination.

• We have the deadline and its final inicial and speed.

So explain to me, how difficult is it to understand this?

What do the other staff members here think?

It's no use, it's always like this. The points raised are refuted and then, instead of accepting, no, simply stops responding and the thing goes into limbo. This is really disappointing.

Can you summarise the suggestions and arguments in an easy to understand manner for those of us who have forgotten?

You can also message more calc group members to give input here.

I can summarize the arguments on either side, but on the question of the members of the calculation group, I texted many of them and few answered, I don't think it will be any different now, but I will try.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3015383

To get an idea, I did it here and most agreed, I asked several members calc, but none came up.

In this topic, I showed the arguments against and in favor.

Well, the problem is that they are the only staff members who are authorised to evaluate the merits of different calculations.

A summary might help anyway. After this you can briefly explain the help that is requested of them on their message walls, and tell them that I would appreciate it.

I will ask Imade to make a thread about it, it is better known and certainly yields.

Okay.