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Accelerator vs. Fugil Arcadia: Maybe my worst idea to date

Well, he can null vector manip, but I'm not sure if it will work on something on Accy's scale.
 
Vector field isn't a forcefield so no, it doesn't work that way. It's a register field.

If Law hax can change the definition of how esper powers are interpreted then it'll work, but if it's something like "stop manipulating vectors" or anything that's only affecting the world itself, an Esper's Personality reality can ignore it as it's their own Law/Reality Warping that affects the world, not vice versa.
 
Oh and this is pre-headshot?

Jobs immediately to BFR if it affects space and not him directly. So, stomp, since Pre has no remote vector control and can't protect himself from pocket reality BFR.
 
It's less "stop manipulating vector" and more like "vectors don't work on me", since Fugil mostly uses his law hax on a defensive way.

I honestly don't know if he can change that, since he can "change all rules of the world and alter the effect of phenomena", but I'm not sure if such thing falls into this.
 
Good thing Accel doesn't have to hit him with Vectors as it's just a medium, so that wouldn't change much. He still loses immediately to BFR.
 
Would Accy seriously go for hand-to-hand combat right off the bat? Because the BFR only works if they touch Fugil while he's using Zero One (which is his first move and likes to spam it).
 
Pre-headshot literally only knows redirection so most of his attacks are with his hands or feet. Plasma is long ranged but it requires prep and he can send things, but Pre is too dumb to play the range game unless he's toying. This Accel would literally just try to smack and turn inside out rather than asess. It's the jobber form for a reason.
 
Accelerate420 said:
Oh and this is pre-headshot?
Jobs immediately to BFR if it affects space and not him directly. So, stomp, since Pre has no remote vector control and can't protect himself from pocket reality BFR.
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no, again if u refer to asport it bypassed accel shield cause it was magic + 3 lvl 5 calculation power

and asport doesn't even work in an area but is targeted
 
Accelerate420 said:
Jobs immediately to BFR if it affects space and not him directly. So, stomp, since Pre has no remote vector control and can't protect himself from pocket reality BFR.
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I'm not exactly understanding what you mean.
 
Ionliosite said:
I'm not exactly understanding what you mean.
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he seems to believe that accel can be affected by area teleport cause once in his manga he was teleported by an asport user

fact is: asport itself can't target an area as it just switches places, the user mixed magic (something accel did not understand at the time) with esper powers and had similar or higher calc power than accel (3 lvl 5 combined)
 
That's true. Now that we know it was magic, maybe BFR won't actually work in this situation. But I still don't see how Pre-headshot can take this.
 
I don't think Pre-head can do anything and he only really relied on his reflection rather than his more active abilties, the only time he did was against Touma and when he was bored and wanted to try something new like with Misaka 10031.

But can Fugil do anything to Accel?
 
No, most of his stuff is empathy/mind hax which I don't think will reach Accel in terms of transmission. But causality and law will mean Accel likely cannot touch him either since this Accel can't use remote vectors nor have Qliphah feed him knowledge. If BFR doesn't work then it's a stalemate, actually, to begin with, Esper abilities work on Schrodingers Cat theory, so does Causality really matter if they're just thinking it will work anyways? I suppose that's more for probability/possibility though.

You could argue he could 'bypass forcefields' but Accelerator's vector field isn't a forcefield in the first place. Anything can interact with and enter it so I don't think it'll operate that way. Law hax likely cannot interfere with his manipulation abilities directly either due to how Personal Reality works, and I highly doubt Fugii will just sit there and let Accel run up to him.
 
Ionliosite said:
Accelerate420 said:
I highly doubt Fugii will just sit there and let Accel run up to him.
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Fugil canonically did this againts Greifer lol
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Actually kinda cool then. But yeah since Accel's ability in this state is very basic, he'll rely on trying to turn his mech/body inside out with a touch via his own kinetic energy and the planets, so if he can figure that out before he is turned inside out then it will not affect him or if he causalities it. Once redirection of kinetic energy is out of the picture via law then it becomes almost just a stand off of nothing happening, though assuming on the idea that Espers Laws ignore other laws it may not matter, since the whole point of Espers is a form of Thelema which is its own 'Laws' in of itself that take precedence.

But if he really does let Accel try the first move without resistance then I think Accel can take it maybe?
 
Fugil canonically did this againts Greifer lol

Does this depend on if Fugil sees someone as a threat or not or is this a regular thing?
 
The first thing Fugil does in every single match is stand there with Zero One active, using Arshalia's Info Analysis to learn about his opponent and waiting to see if his opponent is stupid enough to touch him.

Every single match in the series (aside from Singlen) was Fugil holding back because he was sure he was above his opponent, but Arshalia's Info Analysis will tell him Accy is clearly stronger than him, which most likely means he stops holding back as soon as the battle starts.
 
Scrlk666777 said:
Fugil canonically did this againts Greifer lol
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Does this depend on if Fugil sees someone as a threat or not or is this a regular thing?

Fugil couldn't care less about Greifer, so...
 
Fugil info analyzes Accel, but nothing in his arsenal can touch him since BFR is now ruled out, so what does he do when Accel is running at him? If he says "You cannot manipulate vectors" that won't affect his Personal Reality since it's based upon sub-conscious belief and his own precedence of Law.
 
If Accy doesn't attack him, Fugil will BFR himself automatically. He'll use his time inside Zero One's dimension to see ways to use his law hax to null his opponent's abilities, and he can use Zero One any number of times he needs, he love spamming that.
 
I read that wrong. So he tries to null all of Accel's abilities but that will never affect his field due to it being influenced through personal reality and it stalemates.
 
tbh I think he could use zero one millions of time, I don't think it would make a different. It's extremely doubtful he would be able to null Accel's abilities.

How does Fugil's law hax work? Does he change just the physical aspects of the world, like fundamental laws etc. or can it be extended to concepts and stuff?
 
Can you post a quote or something? Because it sounds like he can restrict the world itself form being influenced by him but that won't stop his field nor his vectors from being useable since it's part of Accelerator's own Law/Personality reality. So technically he could still abuse his own kinetic energy and blood if he touches Fugil.

Unless he is able to influence the concept of Personality realities in general.
 
Ionliosite said:
It depends on what you mean by "concepts and stuff".
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I mean a concept itself is more of an idea, an abstract rather than a direct law really. Vectors themselves are concepts, abstract ideas that make up the universe, alongside scalars. It's an idea rather than an actually physical law really.

I'm not sure that made any sense. I will try and give an example, like could he null the concept of lying or telling the truth? Not the best example but the only thing I can come up with at this moment.
 
I mean a concept itself is more of an idea, an abstract rather than a direct law really. Vectors themselves are concepts, abstract ideas that make up the universe, alongside scalars. It's an idea rather than an actually physical law really.

I'm not sure that made any sense. I will try and give an example, like could he null the concept of lying or telling the truth? Not the best example but the only thing I can come up with at this moment.

Well, he canonically used his law hax to null the use of vector manip, by nulling the effect of every single attack that didn't have as much mass/density as water. If this fits with what you're saying, let me know.
 
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