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Machamp vs Garou
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Machamp has multiple attacks like leer, bulk up, etc to make the difference between them fighting too high. Also, Becomes stronger when affected by a status condition, Can ensure all attacks land , it can use counter and reflect garou's damage onto him.
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Voting Garou.
Given that this is Half-Monster Garou, his adaption rate, healing, and unbelievable durability will keep him going even past his limits. Anything physical Machamp uses Garou will easily pick up on, copy, and improve on. He'll only get stronger throughout the course of the battle, and since Machamp isn't exactly human, he has no reason to hold back or pull punches like he does against humans.
Given that this is Half-Monster Garou, his adaption rate, healing, and unbelievable durability will keep him going even past his limits. Anything physical Machamp uses Garou will easily pick up on, copy, and improve on. He'll only get stronger throughout the course of the battle, and since Machamp isn't exactly human, he has no reason to hold back or pull punches like he does against humans.
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Machamp has more reliable healing, and machamp can constantly confuse garou with dynamic punch, you didnt mention the stat changes which is the win con, machamp can status him with freezing, burning, paralyzing, and toxic. Can you show Garou using genetic hero traits, such as metal bat's? Also, mimicry is not listed, so you can't use it. Machamp can also take his abilities with role play. Machamp can also use bide and double the damage he takes from Garou, so unless Garou can take 2x his own Ap from multiple attacks, I do not see him winning.
Machamp wins, too many hax garou hasn't shown dealing with, such as stat removal and manip.
Machamp wins, too many hax garou hasn't shown dealing with, such as stat removal and manip.
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Machamp is also 4x faster, solar beam clocks in at .53C, whereas Garou clocks in a .17C.
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"More reliable healing"?
You mean this?
Self-Curer: Machamp recovers faster than usual from status problems.
Because, aside from something like Rest, this is the only healing I found on his profile.
Garou: Mimicry:
"Technique Mimicry (Can mimic moves he's seen only once)"
From his profile.
Also speed equal.
You mean this?
Self-Curer: Machamp recovers faster than usual from status problems.
Because, aside from something like Rest, this is the only healing I found on his profile.
Garou: Mimicry:
"Technique Mimicry (Can mimic moves he's seen only once)"
From his profile.
Also speed equal.
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Can you show him mimicing something like heavy bat's absorbtion?PaChi2 said:
Machamp can use rest and sleep talk to continue fighting, while completely recovering its HP.
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Let's get this arguement out of the way.Kappatalism said:
Machamp has no way to get past Garou's passive Fear Manipulation, and even if he did, no attack would even hit him. Info Analysis, and Analytical Predication would give him the specifics on every technique Machamp would use, and properly evading them whilst adapting, meaning he's gonna keep gettng strong and even using his moves against him. Garou resists fire and poison, so that automatically halves Machamp's status wincons. Garou can further increase his strength with his own Rage Power, and Abandonment, and any damage he does take, while he won't shrug it off, he'll keep fighting. Immortality Type 2 and an extremely high pain tolerence will keep him going.
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Lets get this argument out of the way.Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Machamp fights pokemon with intimidate, so he is used to fighting opponents with that type of manipulation. Can you show how his fear aura works? Machamp has foresight and no guard, which would make sure all hits land. Bulk up makes sure machamp stays ahead, and leer/tickle will make sure that garou's stat changes are down. He can also use encore to lock garou into using the same move over and over again, which would help with bide. He would severely outclass Garou's durability with bide/encore and the state changes and kill him. You forget how toxic works, it does double damage over time, which is different from normal poison. It does damage based on movement. Also, if Garou looks at Machamp, he can just use scary face to make him slower.
Does garou have gravity resistance? Fear manip resistance? Machamp is too versatile and has too many hax. Garou does not have fire, ice, electric, nor confusion manip resistance. Does the poison he took even scale to the poison that pokemon use? Toxic poison is a step above the normal poison in the verse. it would also be a hematoxin, was the poison from the arrows a hema toxin or a neurotoxin?
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Machamp has no fear/empathic resistance on the profile, so that's not an argument anymore. Garou's fear manipulation is quite literally his presence and aura. Machamp has all these abilities and attacks you're listing, but does he START with these? He definitely has a lot of hax, but what are the probabilities or him starting with something like Ice Punch, or Thunder Punch?
Garou actually does resist electricity manipulation and I have the proof for this, guy got slammed into the cords of a power line and used them like ropes to propel himself. I don't remember what the poison was, but it was to take him down so, there's that. Regardless, again, nothing is getting past his Analytical Prediction and Info Analysis, and even if they should, what stops him from merely reflecting them then later using the ability himself to his advantage?
Garou actually does resist electricity manipulation and I have the proof for this, guy got slammed into the cords of a power line and used them like ropes to propel himself. I don't remember what the poison was, but it was to take him down so, there's that. Regardless, again, nothing is getting past his Analytical Prediction and Info Analysis, and even if they should, what stops him from merely reflecting them then later using the ability himself to his advantage?
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Okay so it was to kill.
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Has garou ever been shown to use attacks that aren't human? Garou does not have electricity nor burn resistance on his profile. His poison resistance is from neurotoxins, which were slowing him down, not hematoxic, which is what toxic is. So the poison resistance would not work. Foresight and No guard would bypass analytical prediction and info analysis, as he has been hit by people throughout the entirety of the series. foresight even allows him to hit non-corporeal pokemon like ghost types, and removes evasion buffs. Explain how garou takes 2x+ his durability from attacks and survives. Machamp is extremely intelligent, as it has mastered all martial arts, and it would have more fighting experience as a result.Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Earlier i did maths wrong, Machamp is at least 3x faster, .17c vs .53c, stronger ( Likely Mountain level vs At least Mountain level+ ). Garou lost to someone with both fire and electric manip as well, stated in his durability. Machamp has more durability, speed, AP, and versatility
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In a physical combat Garou can just outskill what Machamp can do. The AP difference is a problem tho. I can't remember what's Garou scaling to, but Machamp's above 530MT by a wide margin.
Granted, he won't one-shot at the first move if he starts with martial arts considering Garou can just dodge and reflect. Machamp has four arms but it's not like its moves are far different than those of a human, and Garou can quickly adapt to it and try to compete with his amps to compensate the disadvantage.
This Garou has Regenerationn to stay in the fight for quite enough time to get around Machamp's level and will eventually memorize the attack patterns to the point where it won't matter how much Machamp try to debuff him, he won't land a single hit when pressured by the fear aura at the same time.
Plus, I think we consider air manipulation as the equivalent to Flying-Type moves (not sure about it), and that would mean that Whirlwind Iron Cutting First would rekt Machamp pretty bad.
Toxic is a TM so it's not legal here. Same with Rest.
Voting Garou.
Granted, he won't one-shot at the first move if he starts with martial arts considering Garou can just dodge and reflect. Machamp has four arms but it's not like its moves are far different than those of a human, and Garou can quickly adapt to it and try to compete with his amps to compensate the disadvantage.
This Garou has Regenerationn to stay in the fight for quite enough time to get around Machamp's level and will eventually memorize the attack patterns to the point where it won't matter how much Machamp try to debuff him, he won't land a single hit when pressured by the fear aura at the same time.
Plus, I think we consider air manipulation as the equivalent to Flying-Type moves (not sure about it), and that would mean that Whirlwind Iron Cutting First would rekt Machamp pretty bad.
Toxic is a TM so it's not legal here. Same with Rest.
Voting Garou.
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Doesn't Machamp still have poison jab? Not that it matters. Also while the gap will close, having mastered every martial art, Machamp will have a massive skill advantage Garou at the beginning of the fight, desire how skilled Garou is.
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I don't see Poison Jab outside of the TM/HM's list in Bulbapedia.
Garou has faced numerous martial arts in the past and it's a genius in combat with experience and skill helping his cleverness in fight. His analytical prediction and info analysis comes from reading the movements just seeing them once, so Machamp's moves will be readed from the beginning.
@Kappa PaChi already told you that speed is equal. Don't bring that point again.
Garou has faced numerous martial arts in the past and it's a genius in combat with experience and skill helping his cleverness in fight. His analytical prediction and info analysis comes from reading the movements just seeing them once, so Machamp's moves will be readed from the beginning.
@Kappa PaChi already told you that speed is equal. Don't bring that point again.
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Attacks that aren't human? What?
Garou starts with H2H. And as I said, he doesn't have it on the profile, but again, I have the proof for it. You never explained still have Machamp gets past passive fear and empathic manipulation, and poison manipulation is still poison, it isn't doesn't have types like madness manipulation. Analytical Prediction and Info Analysis CAME from his Half-Monster key, so every time he's been hit early it's merely him not having the power at the time.
Sure, Machamp has the AP and Dura advantage, but speed is equal. Considering Garou constantly fights people far, far, far stronger than him and survived, I can't see him getting stomped. 2X stronger isn't even an AP stomp by the standards here, and again, longer the fight goes on, better and stronger Garou becomes. Garou again, can copy anything fighting style Machamp pulls out, whilst getting better at it.
All Machamp has going for him is AP, Durability, and Hax.
Meanwhile Garou has Adaption, Info Analysis, Attack Reflection, Power Mimicry, and more mobility since it's listed Machamp has no dexterity.
Garou starts with H2H. And as I said, he doesn't have it on the profile, but again, I have the proof for it. You never explained still have Machamp gets past passive fear and empathic manipulation, and poison manipulation is still poison, it isn't doesn't have types like madness manipulation. Analytical Prediction and Info Analysis CAME from his Half-Monster key, so every time he's been hit early it's merely him not having the power at the time.
Sure, Machamp has the AP and Dura advantage, but speed is equal. Considering Garou constantly fights people far, far, far stronger than him and survived, I can't see him getting stomped. 2X stronger isn't even an AP stomp by the standards here, and again, longer the fight goes on, better and stronger Garou becomes. Garou again, can copy anything fighting style Machamp pulls out, whilst getting better at it.
All Machamp has going for him is AP, Durability, and Hax.
Meanwhile Garou has Adaption, Info Analysis, Attack Reflection, Power Mimicry, and more mobility since it's listed Machamp has no dexterity.
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Lets not forgot Garou's fighting style is particularly tailored to fight humans and humanoids that fight the former, and should it get rough, he can switch to Watchdog Man's style, effectively confusing Machamp.
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He cannot copy things like fire punch, ice punch, thunder punch, etc. unless you you can show him being able to do that. Machamp would also know the fighting techniques that Garou has, as OP stated he knows EVERY martial art. So there can't be any surprises for machamp. His fear aura was never quantified to do anything nor has it been shown in use in this thread. Machamp can alter his speed and has his own fear manip, like scary face. Saying that Garou can use any fighting type move machamp has is a NLF as well. He wouldn't be able to copy something like seismic toss, which is gravity manipulation. He wouldn't be able to copy something like counter/bide , otherwise he could have copied metal bat's ability. Garou does not have infinite scaling attack and defense. Tickle and leer would end the fight along with scary face. All moves are breeding/leveling. Garou losses because of all of this.Milly Rocking Bandit said:
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I never said he could copy things that weren't physical. He's only been shown to copy physical techniques, and that's what I'm sticking to. So if he SEES a physical attack from Machamp he either:
- Dodges with his precog
- Reflects
- Copies has uses it against him
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Machamp For Kappatalism's reasoning.
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Garou FRA
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Garou's martial arts don't exist in Pokémon tho. He can't know martial arts outside of what Pokémon understand as martial arts (so any RL art and maybe some Pokémon-verse exclusive art). So yes, he'll be surprised of seeing Garou countering his attacks and slicing two arms to even the grounds (?).
He doesn't need to copy any elemental punch. It's not necessary.
Is Seismic Toss Gravy Manip? Isn't it just the PKMN grabbing their opponent and jumping like in the anime?
>He can't copy Counter/Bide
Like he need it. WSRSF is the same without needing to get your hand punched by the opponent.
He doesn't need to copy any elemental punch. It's not necessary.
Is Seismic Toss Gravy Manip? Isn't it just the PKMN grabbing their opponent and jumping like in the anime?
>He can't copy Counter/Bide
Like he need it. WSRSF is the same without needing to get your hand punched by the opponent.
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Thank you. Really weird tho.
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"A gravity-fed throw that causes damage matching the user's level" FR/LG
"The foe is thrown using the power of gravity. It inflicts damage equal to the user's level" 4th Gen.
"The target is thrown using the power of gravity. It inflicts damage equal to the user's level." 5th, 6th, 7th.
"The foe is thrown using the power of gravity. It inflicts damage equal to the user's level" 4th Gen.
"The target is thrown using the power of gravity. It inflicts damage equal to the user's level." 5th, 6th, 7th.
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How does Garou's passive fear hax works by the way? I remember perhaps an instance with Tanktop Master, and it wasn't making him run for the hill, only makes him determined to finish off Garou.
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Just imposing aura. And Tanktop resists that, simply because he wanted to be the strongest.KobsterHope07 said:
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Just imposing aura. And Tanktop resists that, simply because he wanted to be the strongest.
Machamp is the exact same way. It always wants to test itself.
Machamp is the exact same way. It always wants to test itself.
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Good for him. He can't resist just based on that. That's a resistance.
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