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Machamp vs Garou

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The real cal howard said:
Pretty sure that's a flaw on the fear manip if you can just willpower your way through it.
That's how all mental stuff works in OPM. Not that it matters much, since Machamp doesn't have good enough willpower feats.

Anyway Garou destroys here. Machamp being a master of all martial arts makes him more skilled, but most of that skill comes down to versatility. Even before his first appearances, Garou could adapt to and copy fighting styles from master martial artists. Garou's amps via adaptation are far higher than Machamp's own amps and act as the battle goes on. In a single fight against Darkshine he went from getting stomped to being physically superior to Darkshine, and his speed increased in a similar way too, with Darkshine commenting that being attacked by Garou felt like being attacked by hundreds of martial artists at once, with speed being something that Machamp can't really amp. Regenerationn, stamina, attack reflection and his immortality keeps Garou in the fight long enough for this to happen, not to mention that weakening Garou only increases his fighting spirit. If Garou can dodge attacks from Orochi's numerous tentacles, outmaneuvering four arms shouldn't be too special. This doesn't even take into account Garou's WICF which would deal super effective damage.
 
What the heck? Looking at all these arguements is just making me more confused as to who can or/or wouuld win...

Can I go inconclusive?
 
"Seems like there's no rule"

If the power and abilities list doesn't say something that a TM/HM move grants then it's not accepted.
 
According to a thread Dragon made a while back to get them noticed, you have to actively say in the OP that TMs and HMs and Tutor moves are allowed. And since it doesn't, Garou FRA.

Funny enough less skilled Pokémon like Sceptile completely screw Over Garou because the useless mode Worry Seed replaces his passive abilities (like his regen) with insomnia.
 
Kappatalism said:
One sided stomps dont count.
Sorry, but, please, dont act salty just because the result of the match is not the one you desire. It wont lead anywhere.
 
Sorry, but, please, dont act salty just because the result of the match is not the one you desire. It wont lead anywhere.

I dont think you understand how the wiki works.
 
The real cal howard said:
According to a thread Dragon made a while back to get them noticed, you have to actively say in the OP that TMs and HMs and Tutor moves are allowed. And since it doesn't, Garou FRA.

Funny enough less skilled Pokémon like Sceptile completely screw Over Garou because the useless mode Worry Seed replaces his passive abilities (like his regen) with insomnia.
Link thread? Seems dishonest to not allow moves a pokemon has access too.
 
If the battle is invalid there is no grace.

Look, if a party wins in a battle of atrition against a stronger opponent who also has versatility thanks to their endurance, pain tolerance and skill to adapt, its not a stomp by any means.

Garou doesnt have insta win moves.

Garou doesnt have passives that render Machamp unable to fight.

Garou is physically weaker than Machamp.

And drop it, please.
 
You've unsuccessfully quantified every argument here. Its just head cannon to think that his two buffers give more of an amp than machamps bulk up. Isn't garou's calc with his amps? You realize machamps are without his amp. Bulk up can be wtwcked multiple times, garou's amps are unquantifable so far for this debate. If you can quantify i dont see why any of you boted garou. OP never restricted tutor moves and HM moves either. How does Garou come back from orbit after being tossed there with seismic toss?
 
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